Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Pops said: most FL championships are something like a top 50 team playing a fringe top 1,000 team This is still not true even though you repeat it every year. From this past year. 3A #68 Chaminade-Madonna vs. #117 Oxbridge Academy 4A #103 Raines vs. #110 Cocoa 5A #6 American Heritage vs. #243 Baker County 6A #27 Northwestern vs. #44 Armwood 7A #28 Venice vs. #118 Bartram Trail 8A #69 Dr. Phillips vs. #262 Atlantic So Pop just keeps lying about this every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, Pops said: DLS has played a top 10 team in championship game every year since ‘07 — most of those years DLS was also top 10 Also, this (irrelevant) point does nothing to prove that this format is more fair or produces better matchups. For instance, in the last two years those "also top 10" DLS teams got stomped in the bowl game. American Heritage played little-known #299 Ponte Vedra in 2016 and people thought it was a snoozer and a mismatch. Turns out it was a great game that AHP won, 35-33. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, Pops said: don’t know how you can use “better matchups” as part of your rationale Because I've actually spent more than two seconds thinking about it (unlike you). If you break the 6 divisions down by the best 70, then the next best 70 and so on, these are what the hypothetical championship games could look like: D1 #6 American Heritage vs. #27 Northwestern D2 #903 Mitchell vs. #920 Monsignor Pace D3 #1892 Fletcher vs. #1904 Calvary Christian D4 #3178 Frostproof vs. #3191 Port St. Joe And so on. Pop, who hasn't taken two seconds to think about this, seriously thinks that the current matchups are worse than this hypothetical monstrosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, Pops said: dont understand why you’re advicating to keep those teams isolated from one another in playoffs Because it's not just about the rich. It's about the poor, too. And, again, I've actually thought about it and know what I'm talking about. You, as usual, don't know shit from shinola about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, Pops said: Because you spoke about bad matchups in championship games when literally no one comes remotely close to having as good of matchups as CA No, I said that the California system guarantees that the best teams don't make it to the bowl games. Which is true and something that you can't refute. Again, you just lie constantly about California's playoff system and every other one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, Pops said: whatever else you wanna say about CA brackets, the matchups are vastly Superior to MNC team playing #1,000 Bolles in championship Again, another lie that you've repeated over and over again. Bolles was not #1000 and they were the 8th best opponent that BTW played that season. They beat two better teams than Bolles in the previous two rounds. This is typical Pop claptrap where he thinks that only the last opponent counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Those are 2 of the biggest crybabies in the entire state, Baker County act like a big shot when they beat minnows but second a shark tears them apart they whine like babies about it They are crybabies but they'd have a legitimate beef in this format. A rural public school with 530 students being forced into a division with big urban publics and big urban privates? This is one of the dumbest ideas that anyone has ever tried to advance so no wonder that Pop is enthusiastically in favor of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Scratch Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 Haaa, Cocoa has 3 of the hypothetical teams in D1/Regional3 scheduled for this season. Maybe they know something that we do not. Wonder how they will fare this year after losing Wilks? Word is they are taking top transfers from other schools in the area and stacking the team for another run at state. There is one open spot to schedule another game as they have 9 already. No OOS games again this year??? Hummm.... D. White, A. Petruzello, C. Holmes and W. Gaines are going to be fun to watch this year with hopefully a few more surprises to come. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted June 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Cat_Scratch said: Haaa, Cocoa has 3 of the hypothetical teams in D1/Regional3 scheduled for this season. Maybe they know something that we do not. Wonder how they will fare this year after losing Wilks? Word is they are taking top transfers from other schools in the area and stacking the team for another run at state. There is one open spot to schedule another game as they have 9 already. No OOS games again this year??? Hummm.... D. White, A. Petruzello, C. Holmes and W. Gaines are going to be fun to watch this year with hopefully a few more surprises to come. Yeah i saw they picked up a 3 star linebacker from viera which was talked about over on Florida board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCBlackhatter Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Goldmember said: Again, another lie that you've repeated over and over again. Bolles was not #1000 and they were the 8th best opponent that BTW played that season. They beat two better teams than Bolles in the previous two rounds. This is typical Pop claptrap where he thinks that only the last opponent counts. Pops only likes to look at the final opponent's ranking because DLS rarely plays another Top CA team until the final game of the season. He must expect the same from every other state apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 Every time Pops comments on Florida playoffs I'll always remember that DLS won the self proclaimed toughest bracket in America the same years their skirt was lifted by a Florida teams who didn't even win their own watered down garbage playoff. That should be in the Ripley's believe it or not museum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 23 hours ago, Goldmember said: Also, this (irrelevant) point does nothing to prove that this format is more fair or produces better matchups. For instance, in the last two years those "also top 10" DLS teams got stomped in the bowl game. American Heritage played little-known #299 Ponte Vedra in 2016 and people thought it was a snoozer and a mismatch. Turns out it was a great game that AHP won, 35-33. Neat deflection, er, story I think most people would prefer 2 national top 10 teams than all your top teams aplit up to hopefully have an entertaining game You can’t even believe what you’re saying here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 16 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: Every time Pops comments on Florida playoffs I'll always remember that DLS won the self proclaimed toughest bracket in America the same years their skirt was lifted by a Florida teams who didn't even win their own watered down garbage playoff. That should be in the Ripley's believe it or not museum One time at band camp...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 30 minutes ago, Pops said: One time at band camp...... Actually it was twice at band camp. Also how does National number 5 SJB get stifled by the 11th ranked FL team but manage to make the state semi finals in the toughest bracket in the country? The same position STA made in the watered down playoff. Both teams couldn't make the finals in their respective playoff path. So it seems that SJB wouldn't even have made the semis in FL 7A but they can make it to the semis in the best bracket???? 3 times at band camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 23 hours ago, Goldmember said: This is typical Pop claptrap where he thinks that only the last opponent counts. I have never ever once said only last game counts but when you are vying for an MNC, you should not be playing a team outside top 1,000 for your “championship” game especially from a power state where there’s plenty of good teams y’all can get mad but it seems what y’all prefer not rather you continue to delude yourselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 47 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Actually it was twice at band camp. Also how does National number 5 SJB get stifled by the 11th ranked FL team but manage to make the state semi finals in the toughest bracket in the country? The same position STA made in the watered down playoff. Both teams couldn't make the finals in their respective playoff path. So it seems that SJB wouldn't even have made the semis in FL 7A but they can make it to the semis in the best bracket???? 3 times at band camp STA is the poster child for a team that regresses during the season but is very good at hosting CA teams in Aug they lose when they travel west also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Pops said: Neat deflection, er, story Not a deflection at all. You lie about the matchups and then you try to claim that, well, the games themselves were better or more competitive so that makes the crappy system OK. So I just pointed out your lies and refuted your claim that the games are better and/or more competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Pops said: I think most people would prefer 2 national top 10 teams than all your top teams aplit up to hopefully have an entertaining game So you compound your lie by piling on more irrelevant claims. It doesn't matter what your personal preferences are. The state association should not be making decisions based on perceived entertainment value or what message board fanboys might prefer. That's about the extent of your argument. You have nothing else to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Pops said: You can’t even believe what you’re saying here Of course I do and I stand by it especially because I have a stronger foundation than your "well, message board fanboys prefer open bowls so there!" argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Goldmember said: So I just pointed out your lies and refuted your claim that the games are better and/or more competitive . Redefining the criteria weren’t we talking about best matchups not getting two mediocre teams (or teams you’d call garbage) that are evenly matched I’m not arguing that point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Goldmember said: So you compound your lie by piling on more irrelevant claims. It doesn't matter what your personal preferences are. The state association should not be making decisions based on perceived entertainment value or what message board fanboys might prefer. That's about the extent of your argument. You have nothing else to say. You must be right CA just almost always has the highest ranked championship matchups among all the human and computer polls to satisfy us fanboys while FL is a pure playoffs where each of your top 5 teams get their own bracket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, Pops said: I have never ever once said only last game counts But you have consistently insinuated it based on your arguments. Stop being dishonest for one second, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, Pops said: when you are vying for an MNC, you should not be playing a team outside top 1,000 for your “championship” game What sense does this make? First you just lied, again, about Bolles being outside the top 1000. It's getting tiresome dealing with such a dishonest person. Also, it's completely random when a team is played in the playoffs. BTW played two better teams in the previous two rounds. It just so happened that they had two better opponents who were closer geographically to them. What kind of loon claims that a team vying for a championship would somehow have control over who they played in the playoffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Just now, Goldmember said: But you have consistently insinuated it based on your arguments. Stop being dishonest for one second, please. Never, ever even insinuated it I do believe that championship games in December are MORE important than week zero games I also believe human pollsters effectively value the August games more because of the static nature of their polling pick that apart if you’d like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, Pops said: especially from a power state where there’s plenty of good teams And BTW played two of them in the two weeks prior. Your point is stupid, Pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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