dntn31 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 If the CiFSS divisions were based on Massey instead of CalPreps: 1. Mater Dei 2. St. John Bosco 3. Centennial 4. Sierra Canyon 5. Orange Lutheran 6. Los Alamitos 7. JSerra 8. Santa Margarita --- 9. Mission Viejo 10. San Clemente 11. Servite 12. Rancho Cucamonga 13. Serra Gardena 14. Long Beach Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB bos Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 So some arbitrary decision has been made that the top 15<< in said poll automatically make the playoffs. Which is the only explanation why all Trinity teams are in the playoffs regardless of record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 9 hours ago, BB bos said: So some arbitrary decision has been made that the top 15<< in said poll automatically make the playoffs. Which is the only explanation why all Trinity teams are in the playoffs regardless of record. That's not how it works. Where did you get the top 15 from? Playoff eligibility and which division teams are placed into is covered in the CIFSS Playoff Bulletin. Leagues still have Automatic Qualifiers. The Trinity League has 6 teams so they have 3 Automatic Qualifiers (St. John Bosco #1, Mater Dei #2, JSerra #3). If you are not an Automatic Qualifier you can be considered for an At-Large Selection. In order to qualify as an At-Large Selection a team must be at least .500. Orange Lutheran (Trinity #4), Servite (Trinity #5) and Santa Margarita (Trinity #6) all finished with a record of 5-5 so they are eligible as an At-Large Selection. Now that we've established how each team in the Trinity is eligible to make the playoffs, there's the matter of which Division they are placed into. This is also covered in the CIFSS Playoff Bulletin below: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 12 hours ago, dntn31 said: If the CiFSS divisions were based on Massey instead of CalPreps: 1. Mater Dei 2. St. John Bosco 3. Centennial 4. Sierra Canyon 5. Orange Lutheran 6. Los Alamitos 7. JSerra 8. Santa Margarita --- 9. Mission Viejo 10. San Clemente 11. Servite 12. Rancho Cucamonga 13. Serra Gardena 14. Long Beach Poly These are hella different than calpreps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalFball Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 The fact that it's 8 teams 6 privates and 2 publics lol I mean we might as well separate it at this point. San Clemente has no chance in hell of beating Bosco and Cen10 has a slim chance in hell of beating them in the semis. Maybe next year it will need to be 7 privates and 1 public because change is definitely needed with this system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, AztecPadre said: These are hella different than calpreps. CA brethren, which of the two algorithms do you prefer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: CA brethren, which of the two algorithms do you prefer? Honestly, neither. However a gun to my head, Calpreps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 It's not bad after mid-Novemberish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 hours ago, SoCalFball said: The fact that it's 8 teams 6 privates and 2 publics lol I mean we might as well separate it at this point. San Clemente has no chance in hell of beating Bosco and Cen10 has a slim chance in hell of beating them in the semis. Maybe next year it will need to be 7 privates and 1 public because change is definitely needed with this system. 4 teams is all it should be. 6 if they want to give the top 2 byes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 Sierra Canyon has LOTS of big time football players......more than people realize. The only thing interesting about these playoffs is can Canyon hang and make some legit noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 49 minutes ago, RedZone said: Sierra Canyon has LOTS of big time football players......more than people realize. The only thing interesting about these playoffs is can Canyon hang and make some legit noise. They're like SJB was in the 90s and 00s. They have the Athletes to play with top programs, but they lack the lineman to play with Bosco and MD. Bosco didn't have the lineman to play with Loyola and Mater Dei prior to Negro. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 hours ago, golfaddict1 said: CA brethren, which of the two algorithms do you prefer? That’s really just kind of like asking who is hotter?😂 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 32 minutes ago, Cossacks said: That’s really just kind of like asking who is hotter?😂 Can't have Shamus as the last pictures. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/29/2023 at 10:33 PM, dntn31 said: If the bottom 4 Trinity played LBP's schedule, they would all be 9-1 too. This is just a reflection on Poly's league schedule and nothing more. Otherwise, we're just supposed to take your word for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 12:31 AM, dntn31 said: The CIF doesn't explicitly want the Trinity teams in D1. They want competitive equity. If it was only about competitive equity then why do they have the Open Bowl game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 12:46 AM, dntn31 said: If the CiFSS divisions were based on Massey instead of CalPreps: 1. Mater Dei 2. St. John Bosco 3. Centennial 4. Sierra Canyon 5. Orange Lutheran 6. Los Alamitos 7. JSerra 8. Santa Margarita --- 9. Mission Viejo 10. San Clemente 11. Servite 12. Rancho Cucamonga 13. Serra Gardena 14. Long Beach Poly All you've proven here is that Massey *also* weighs SOS far above what's reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: If it was only about competitive equity then why do they have the Open Bowl game? 2 distinct entities. I used "CIF" for brevity, when I should have said "the CIF Southern Section" and its commissioner want competitive equity. The CIFSS has nothing to do with the bowl games, that's CIF State. That said, what about the Open Bowl game is at odds with competitive equity? They are attempting to have the best eligible team in the North play the best eligible team in the South. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: This is just a reflection on Poly's league schedule and nothing more. Yep, you understood the assignment. Just like the Texas teams, going 9-0 against a bunch of slappies and losing to the only good team you play doesn't make you a good team by virtue of your 9-1 record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: All you've proven here is that Massey *also* weighs SOS far above what's reasonable. I'm not "trying to prove" anything. I posted that merely to compare and contrast what the CIFSS D1 bracket would look like using Massey instead of CalPreps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 hours ago, steeler01 said: They're like SJB was in the 90s and 00s. Nah, I'm not buying that. This Canyon team is stacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, dntn31 said: That said, what about the Open Bowl game is at odds with competitive equity? They are attempting to have the best eligible team in the North play the best eligible team in the South. The games have been massive blowouts. You hand-waved this current crappy system because the games are "more competitive" than previous iterations. But the Open Bowl has pretty much never been competitive. At least in recent years. The best eligible team in the North isn't close to the best one in the South. The point of the Open Bowl certainly isn't competitive equity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Yep, you understood the assignment. Just like the Texas teams, going 9-0 against a bunch of slappies and losing to the only good team you play doesn't make you a good team by virtue of your 9-1 record. At the same time, going 5-5 as a Trinity League team *also* doesn't make you a good team by virtue of osmosis. But that seems to be what you and others say here on a regular basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, RedZone said: Nah, I'm not buying that. This Canyon team is stacked. I'm not saying Canyon is going to win state:though, but they have lots of really good players and should be dangerous. If RedZone say they got good players> they got good players! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, dntn31 said: I'm not "trying to prove" anything. I posted that merely to compare and contrast what the CIFSS D1 bracket would look like using Massey instead of CalPreps. Yeah, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 31, 2023 Report Share Posted October 31, 2023 35 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: The games have been massive blowouts. You hand-waved this current crappy system because the games are "more competitive" than previous iterations. But the Open Bowl has pretty much never been competitive. At least in recent years. The best eligible team in the North isn't close to the best one in the South. The point of the Open Bowl certainly isn't competitive equity. I was SPECIFICALLY talking about the CIFSS divisional playoffs when I said they were more competitive than under the old system. That is a fact. Then you come in here and change the subject to the Open Bowl Game and try to put words in my mouth. I know that attempting to implement a system where the having the best teams in the state play each other in the playoffs is a foreign and frightening concept for Floridians, so your fixation on that is understandable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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