Atticus Finch Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, golfaddict1 said: @Atticus Finch brought this up also. Sometimes it’s just that simple. Sorry if it’s offensive, but what exactly was the purpose of listing a full name? #rhetorical If you let stupid people talk long enough they usually tell on themselves. Whether it's hatred of Muslims or love for Augusto Pinochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 Democrats support terrorists who killed 14 Americans so far outer our closest ally’s in the Middle East https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-support-palestinians-over-israel-131757456.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: If the border was open, and it was the policy of the Administration, then there would be no border crisis since there would be no checkpoints, no border patrol, no immigration courts, no holding facilities. I'm left with no other conclusion than that you don't actually know what you're talking about and you're just spouting nonsense. Here's a chart for you to ponder. Migrant encounters were skyrocketing under the last President and only plummeted for a short time because of COVID. It then immediately started skyrocketing again all the way through today. Well, he can't talking about the peak in May, 2019. That was before Covid. It was at about 75k for Trump's final 3-4 months in office. Tapioca Brain takes office and then... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: Does no one research this stuff? Or let me guess Im a sheep that doesnt read some far off the map conspiracy site.... ? Besides the obvious - the 6 billion wasn't needed to complete this swap and only make use more vulnerable in the future there is this.... The $6 billion transfer carries three potential risks. The first is the risk of abuse. As in the past, Iran could find ways to fraudulently claim a certain transaction is humanitarian or smuggle humanitarian goods abroad for profit. In practice, no mechanism, no matter how strict, can eliminate these risks while still facilitating food and medical sales. In addition to being vigilant about diversion and abuse, Washington should explain to the public how it will seek to identify and deter such behavior on an ongoing basis. Second, even if the mechanism works perfectly, money is ultimately fungible. That is, even though the $6 billion from South Korea would be limited to humanitarian purchases, releasing it would free up an equal amount of money that Tehran could use for other purposes, including the defense sector. That said, claims that Iran would commit all of these resources toward nefarious purposes are likely exaggerated. Tehran has competing domestic requirements for its money, and the military and nuclear enterprise has hardly been starved for resources. Third, even if striking a deal to bring wrongfully detained Americans home is justified, it undoubtedly validates Iran’s view that hostage-taking is an acceptable way to achieve its goals—and sends the same message to Russia and China. Washington should therefore seek understandings with other targeted countries on a common approach to deterring state-sponsored hostage-taking, including in connection with the roughly thirty European prisoners still in Iran. This could entail agreeing to collective rules for negotiations, sanctions, or concessions. Henry Rome is a senior fellow at The Washington Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, concha said: Well, he can't talking about the peak in May, 2019. That was before Covid. It was at about 75k for Trump's final 3-4 months in office. Tapioca Brain takes office and then... concha has a long history of lying about data and not understanding trends. These lines represent Trumps term. The arrow marks the point when border encounters reached a 13-year high. Then it bottomed out during COVID. Then it immediately shot up again. The number of encounters was skyrocketing in January 2021. They went from just over 16,000 at the bottom in April 2020 to 75,000 in January 2021. By my calculation, that's a 368% increase before Biden was inaugurated. But concha is a liar and a boob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Warrior said: Besides the obvious - the 6 billion wasn't needed to complete this swap And you know this....how? Oh, I'm sorry. You're just quoting some other bozo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: concha has a long history of lying about data and not understanding trends. These lines represent Trumps term. The arrow marks the point when border encounters reached a 13-year high. Then it bottomed out during COVID. Then it immediately shot up again. The number of encounters was skyrocketing in January 2021. They went from just over 16,000 at the bottom in April 2020 to 75,000 in January 2021. By my calculation, that's a 368% increase before Biden was inaugurated. But concha is a liar and a boob. 🤡 Andy posts a decades-long trend so you can't actually see the month-to-month detail clearly. And then calls the guy actually providing the details a liar. You can't make this shit up. 🤣 Per Andy: "The number of encounters was skyrocketing in January 2021." A shameless lie. These are the numbers for the final four months of Trump's presidency (including the partial month of January): October 2020: 72K November 2020: 72K December 2020: 74K January 2021: 78K Andy (the actual liar) calls this "skyrocketing". 🤡 🤣 So, if a 4k increase is "skyrocketing", then what the hell was going on when this happened? February 2021: 100K [Tapioca Brain's first full month in office] Or this: March 2021: over 170K 🤣 How's that trend, Andy? You fucking liar. 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, Warrior said: Besides the obvious - the 6 billion wasn't needed to complete this swap and only make use more vulnerable in the future there is this.... The $6 billion transfer carries three potential risks. The first is the risk of abuse. As in the past, Iran could find ways to fraudulently claim a certain transaction is humanitarian or smuggle humanitarian goods abroad for profit. In practice, no mechanism, no matter how strict, can eliminate these risks while still facilitating food and medical sales. In addition to being vigilant about diversion and abuse, Washington should explain to the public how it will seek to identify and deter such behavior on an ongoing basis. Second, even if the mechanism works perfectly, money is ultimately fungible. That is, even though the $6 billion from South Korea would be limited to humanitarian purchases, releasing it would free up an equal amount of money that Tehran could use for other purposes, including the defense sector. That said, claims that Iran would commit all of these resources toward nefarious purposes are likely exaggerated. Tehran has competing domestic requirements for its money, and the military and nuclear enterprise has hardly been starved for resources. Third, even if striking a deal to bring wrongfully detained Americans home is justified, it undoubtedly validates Iran’s view that hostage-taking is an acceptable way to achieve its goals—and sends the same message to Russia and China. Washington should therefore seek understandings with other targeted countries on a common approach to deterring state-sponsored hostage-taking, including in connection with the roughly thirty European prisoners still in Iran. This could entail agreeing to collective rules for negotiations, sanctions, or concessions. Henry Rome is a senior fellow at The Washington Institute. Fungible has been used about 1000 times in recent days… more like a spreading bacterial fungus. Thx for the source mention. Always good to peel the onion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: And you know this....how? Oh, I'm sorry. You're just quoting some other bozo. That wasn't me quoting anyone - it was my opinion based on Trump completing a prisoner swap with Iran in December 19' and July 20' and Iran backed Yemen in October 2020' with a penny begin sent. Must be a better negotiator than this administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: Fungible has been used about 1000 times in recent days… more like a spreading bacterial fungus. Thx for the source mention. Always good to peel the onion. Has the above proven the article wrong somehow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, concha said: Andy posts a decades-long trend so you can't actually see the month-to-month detail clearly Trump had the most border encounters in 13 years. Then the rate skyrocketed by 368% in his last 8 months in office. You know, you don't have to continuously prove what a complete moron you are when it comes to data. We've all seen enough. You're the defending champion on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, concha said: Per Andy: "The number of encounters was skyrocketing in January 2021." A shameless lie. These are the numbers for the final four months of Trump's presidency (including the partial month of January): October 2020: 72K November 2020: 72K December 2020: 74K January 2021: 78K Andy (the actual liar) calls this "skyrocketing". 🤡 🤣 So, if a 4k increase is "skyrocketing", then what the hell was going on when this happened? February 2021: 100K [Tapioca Brain's first full month in office] Or this: March 2021: over 170K 🤣 How's that trend, Andy? You fucking liar. 😂 The cherry-picking is so rich. But I totally get it. You *have* to lie for your worldview to come right. You did the same thing with unemployment rates. It's just what you have to do. Why did you choose October 2020? That's a rhetorical question. It's because you're a liar. April 2020: 16k --- January 2020: 78k Can someone explain to concha what the bars getting taller and taller means. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, Warrior said: That wasn't me quoting anyone - it was my opinion based on Trump completing a prisoner swap with Iran in December 19' and July 20' and Iran backed Yemen in October 2020' with a penny begin sent. Must be a better negotiator than this administration. So more bullshitting. They also didn't swap any money to get Brittney Griner either. But as most normal people understand, each negotiation is different. But thanks for the totally unfounded and completely batshit opinion based on nothing whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: So more bullshitting. They also didn't swap any money to get Brittney Griner either. But as most normal people understand, each negotiation is different. But thanks for the totally unfounded and completely batshit opinion based on nothing whatsoever. That was with Russia. You can BS all you like, but it was done as recent as a couple years ago on more than one occasion. Past history is a good indicator of future outcomes - not an absolute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: So more bullshitting. They also didn't swap any money to get Brittney Griner either. But as most normal people understand, each negotiation is different. But thanks for the totally unfounded and completely batshit opinion based on nothing whatsoever. In December 2019, the U.S. did a prisoner exchange with Iran, freeing Xiyue Wang, a graduate student at Princeton University who was serving a 10-year sentence in Iran on espionage charges. To secure Wang’s release, the U.S. freed Masoud Soleimani, an Iranian scientist convicted of export violations. In July 2020, the Trump administration secured the release of Michael White, a Marine veteran jailed in Iran on charges of insulting the country’s supreme leader, in exchange for the release of a dermatologist convicted on export violations. In October 2020, a deputy assistant to Trump helped broker a deal to free two Americans being held hostage by Iranian-backed militants in Yemen in exchange for the release of about 250 Houthi rebels being held in Oman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, Warrior said: That was with Russia. You can BS all you like, but it was done as recent as a couple years ago on more than one occasion. Past history is a good indicator of future outcomes - not an absolute. They probably didn't have $6b of Russian money locked up somewhere that they wanted back. And were willing to keep Americans hostage until they got it. Again, each situation is different. But I thought prisoner swaps were bad, right? (Don't answer that. It's rhetorical. We know that you're a bullshitter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 Just now, Warrior said: In December 2019, the U.S. did a prisoner exchange with Iran, freeing Xiyue Wang, a graduate student at Princeton University who was serving a 10-year sentence in Iran on espionage charges. To secure Wang’s release, the U.S. freed Masoud Soleimani, an Iranian scientist convicted of export violations. In July 2020, the Trump administration secured the release of Michael White, a Marine veteran jailed in Iran on charges of insulting the country’s supreme leader, in exchange for the release of a dermatologist convicted on export violations. In October 2020, a deputy assistant to Trump helped broker a deal to free two Americans being held hostage by Iranian-backed militants in Yemen in exchange for the release of about 250 Houthi rebels being held in Oman. Left out the most important part Zero Dollars exchanged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Warrior said: In December 2019, the U.S. did a prisoner exchange with Iran, freeing Xiyue Wang, a graduate student at Princeton University who was serving a 10-year sentence in Iran on espionage charges. To secure Wang’s release, the U.S. freed Masoud Soleimani, an Iranian scientist convicted of export violations. In July 2020, the Trump administration secured the release of Michael White, a Marine veteran jailed in Iran on charges of insulting the country’s supreme leader, in exchange for the release of a dermatologist convicted on export violations. In October 2020, a deputy assistant to Trump helped broker a deal to free two Americans being held hostage by Iranian-backed militants in Yemen in exchange for the release of about 250 Houthi rebels being held in Oman. I'm sure you think this is supposed to mean something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Warrior said: Left out the most important part Zero Dollars exchanged. I'm sure you think this is supposed to mean something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Trump had the most border encounters in 13 years. Then the rate skyrocketed by 368% in his last 8 months in office. You know, you don't have to continuously prove what a complete moron you are when it comes to data. We've all seen enough. You're the defending champion on that. LMAO Andy gets exposed and then has to reference a brief spike in 2019 that is totally UNrepresentative of Trump's term as a whole. And then he claims to be an honest interpreter of numbers by arbitrarily choosing one of the lowest months ever recorded along the Southwest border in order to push a deceptive number to slam Trump. "Don't believe your lying eyes" is Andy's argument. Unfortunately, anyone with a modicum of common sense can look at the below chart and know not to trust lying Andy. What reprehensible and shameless shyster. "The number of encounters was skyrocketing in January 2021." - Andy 🤡 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, concha said: LMAO concha is shook by data being accurately represented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: The cherry-picking is so rich. But I totally get it. You *have* to lie for your worldview to come right. You did the same thing with unemployment rates. It's just what you have to do. Why did you choose October 2020? That's a rhetorical question. It's because you're a liar. April 2020: 16k --- January 2020: 78k Can someone explain to concha what the bars getting taller and taller means. Thank you. Andy fails to point out that April 2020 was one of the lowest months ever recorded. 🤡 🤣 And then he cherry-picks based on that. Here's the big picture that Andy can't deal with, because he's a dishonest liar. He thinks you're all stupid and can't see the glaringly obvious. What a tool. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said: concha is shook by data being accurately represented. 🤣 🤣 It's like this guy thinks people don't have eyes. LMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: I'm sure you think this is supposed to mean something. Not intended for you but for most it does - shows it was done on multiple occasions very recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Warrior said: Not intended for you but for most it does - shows it was done on multiple occasions very recently. You're arguing with a guy who is trying to convince people to believe that in the month of January 2021 there was a spike in migrant encounters (in order to smear Trump). 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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