Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, badrouter said: It's nothing of significance because it's not based on anything objectively meaningful Whuuuhh? It's objective by nature. It's a metric based on points allowed, offensive quality that they faced and strength of schedule. Yours is based on whatever you need at the moment to make your Lakeland lovefest come right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, badrouter said: The 22 points came on: 1) legally debatable pass where a WR blocked a DB and the ball was not thrown behind the LOS; 2) a flukey jump ball that was pulled down and 3) a trick play that got them into the red zone. TC schemes to keep scores low and Jones was gifted seven turnovers by Osceola on a Monday game. I accept nuance like this. The issue is that you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga96 Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 Anyone willing to go through the schedules. Check the schedules of reach team and them check the schedules of those teams and look at the SOS in reverse. Ex. Check out sjb schedule and then look at all their opponents schedules and then look who those teams played. Ex. Using a Georgia team would be Grayson. Nationally ranked but if you look at their schedule their toughest opponents were a 5-6 Lowndes, Parkview, and Milton which they lost all 3 of those games. The rankings ive seen ignore things like lowndes being 5-6 when it comes to ranking the rams. It also ignores that grayson played some of the weakest teams in the country for the rest of their schedule. If one were to look at who they played and those teams schedules grayson wouldn't be ranked as high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ga96 said: Anyone willing to go through the schedules. Check the schedules of reach team and them check the schedules of those teams and look at the SOS in reverse. Ex. Check out sjb schedule and then look at all their opponents schedules and then look who those teams played. Ex. Using a Georgia team would be Grayson. Nationally ranked but if you look at their schedule their toughest opponents were a 5-6 Lowndes, Parkview, and Milton which they lost all 3 of those games. The rankings ive seen ignore things like lowndes being 5-6 when it comes to ranking the rams. It also ignores that grayson played some of the weakest teams in the country for the rest of their schedule. If one were to look at who they played and those teams schedules grayson wouldn't be ranked as high. OK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 27 minutes ago, Ga96 said: Anyone willing to go through the schedules. Check the schedules of reach team and them check the schedules of those teams and look at the SOS in reverse. Ex. Check out sjb schedule and then look at all their opponents schedules and then look who those teams played. Ex. Using a Georgia team would be Grayson. Nationally ranked but if you look at their schedule their toughest opponents were a 5-6 Lowndes, Parkview, and Milton which they lost all 3 of those games. The rankings ive seen ignore things like lowndes being 5-6 when it comes to ranking the rams. It also ignores that grayson played some of the weakest teams in the country for the rest of their schedule. If one were to look at who they played and those teams schedules grayson wouldn't be ranked as high. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, RedZone said: or maybe he is a pussy! Who cares really. BUT, it's a real and correct observation either way. Its your observation... Which aint worth crap... "Who cares Really." The classic Redzone escape.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: Whuuuhh? It's objective by nature. It's a metric based on points allowed, offensive quality that they faced and strength of schedule. Yours is based on whatever you need at the moment to make your Lakeland lovefest come right. both are totally subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, badrouter said: both are totally subjective. Points scored is objective. So you're wrong again and really quickly too. You're breaking speed records now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 SJB finished #1 in SBLive final rankings: https://news.scorebooklive.com/national/2022/12/19/sblive-sports-illustrated-power-25-football-rankings-st-john-bosco-finishes-2022-season-as-top-ranked-high-school-football-team-in-the-country 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: Points scored is objective. So you're wrong again and really quickly too. You're breaking speed records now. the two things I bolded are subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 7 hours ago, badrouter said: the two things I bolded are subjective. Their offensive rankings are based on points scored vs. strength of schedule. Points scored is completely objective and strength of schedule is only party subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 11 hours ago, dntn31 said: SJB finished #1 in SBLive final rankings: https://news.scorebooklive.com/national/2022/12/19/sblive-sports-illustrated-power-25-football-rankings-st-john-bosco-finishes-2022-season-as-top-ranked-high-school-football-team-in-the-country Maybe you should delete all posts mentioning Florida today in your sjb Glory Thread. I never knew you had the juice until just now. I don't read many of your offerings. They are probably badly slanted too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, RedZone said: I don't read Tell us something we didn't already know 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Tell us something we didn't already know I have a Master's in high school football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 SJB #1 in USA Today: https://usatodayhss.com/2022/final-2022-usa-today-sports-super-25-high-school-football-rankings 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 35 minutes ago, dntn31 said: SJB #1 in USA Today Classic flick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, RedZone said: I lied about playing varsity football and baseball on this forum. FIFY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: Their offensive rankings are based on points scored vs. strength of schedule. Points scored is completely objective and strength of schedule is only party subjective. All things considered- much of which you've acknowledged at one time or another- it's a pretty meaningless rating. What Massey has for his ratings is just one dude's opinion. Cormani McClain, Shadarian Harrison and Dontay Joyner are the best trio of cornerbacks in the country. Kamauri McKinley (3*, East Carolina), Brayshon Williams (4*, Miami Immortals 7v7) and Tank Johnson fill out what is the best secondary in the country. They can neutralize, or completely smother, any WR group in the country. And that has downstream implications, given that the front seven was roughly on par with what you faced in 2018. Buldini is also a better DC than any of the other Florida teams' DCs who'd be in that conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, badrouter said: it's a pretty meaningless rating. You need it to be meaningless for this argument. Which is why you lied and claimed that a totally obejecive measure (points) is subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, badrouter said: Cormani McClain, Shadarian Harrison and Dontay Joyner are the best trio of cornerbacks in the country. You also said that the 2020 Lakeland defensive line was the best in Florida. A team that went 6-4 and gave up 41 points to Venice and 55 points to Tampa Bay Tech. 👇 On 10/12/2020 at 12:15 PM, badrouter said: FWIW, I'm not sure ANY DL in the state is better than Lakeland's. 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: You also said that the 2020 Lakeland defensive line was the best in Florida. A team that went 6-4 and gave up 41 points to Venice and 55 points to Tampa Bay Tech. 👇 🤡 The 2020 statement was based strictly on paper, as it was just a couple of weeks into the season. On paper, you had 5* Dindy, then-4* Keanist Thompson, and two FCS guys. The season then played out, the defense proved to be weak, but this was mostly because they weren't able to recruit anyone for the back seven due to Covid shutting everything down. So, they had a shockingly weak LB group, and a secondary that was greener than the eggs Sam had with his ham. What I projected about one unit in 2020 has nothing to do with what was demonstrated on the field in 2022. They did a great job of assembling talent for 2022. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, badrouter said: What I projected about one unit in 2020 has nothing to do with what was demonstrated on the field in 2022. They did a great job of assembling talent for 2022. Larry Blustein, whom I trust, said that Cormani McClain is a very good prospect but overrated player. "They didn't really play anyone who could throw the ball." You are drifting into RedZone territory where you love players who look great in their uniform but are never actually tested against other elite players/teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Larry Blustein, whom I trust, said that Cormani McClain is a very good prospect but overrated player. "They didn't really play anyone who could throw the ball." You are drifting into RedZone territory where you love players who look great in their uniform but are never actually tested against other elite players/teams. Players who are as famous and recruited as Cormani are going to be analyzed and called overrated by some people, always. It comes with the territory. Sometimes they really are overrated, sometimes they're correctly rated. I think the most valid criticism of him right now might be in regards to his mindset. He missed a practice the week of the 3rd round playoff game and was thus suspended for the game (which was against a team that posted huge passing numbers). That was shocking to me. Larry has always been a South Florida guy. I doubt he knows anything about Clearwater Academy or Lakewood or Lake Minneola. The first two have big-time players all over the field, with Power 5 QBs, power 5 WRs and lineman (CAI anyway). Lake Minneola put up big passing numbers against everyone, including defenses that didn't yield those numbers against others. Wekiva played Ocoee, Edgewater, Apopka and Jones twice- so five games worth- yet Lake Minneola posted the highest point total on them, with the QB going 10-11 for 236 yds and 2 Tds. Venice was very scheme dependent, but they also posted some numbers, with nearly triple the passing yards vs. SFA that they had vs. Lakeland. If all of those teams are dismissed as teams who can't throw the ball, then playing STA wouldn't count either. The teams above all have true passing QBs, whereas STA had an athlete playing QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, badrouter said: All things considered- much of which you've acknowledged at one time or another- it's a pretty meaningless rating. What Massey has for his ratings is just one dude's opinion. Cormani McClain, Shadarian Harrison and Dontay Joyner are the best trio of cornerbacks in the country. Kamauri McKinley (3*, East Carolina), Brayshon Williams (4*, Miami Immortals 7v7) and Tank Johnson fill out what is the best secondary in the country. They can neutralize, or completely smother, any WR group in the country. And that has downstream implications, given that the front seven was roughly on par with what you faced in 2018. Buldini is also a better DC than any of the other Florida teams' DCs who'd be in that conversation. Lakota West, OH disagrees about who has the best secondary in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 42 minutes ago, nptb17 said: Lakota West, OH disagrees about who has the best secondary in the country. I would hope so. In fact, I’d hope that, if asked who has the better secondary, quite literally every team in the country would claim to be better. I mean, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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