Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, badrouter said: A team can be upset, and knocked out of the playoffs, yet still have the capability to beat teams that play in later rounds. Well, sure, a convenient point to make when you failed so often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, Atticus Finch said: An example of how the ratings are structurally flawed. A 5 or 6 loss season in a certain area will usually get you a top 100 rating while a similar season elsewhere won't even get you top #300. 6-6 JSerra = #96 7-5 Orange Lutheran = #97 5-5 Santa Margarita = #203 ------------------ 6-5 Dillard = #303 That Dillard fan vacation in the Bermuda Triangle this season? Bueller? 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 16 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: You say the wildest shit. This might be right up there. It's a fact. Objective truth, based on the level of recruitment of the players. The 2005 defense was good by 2005 standards, with (generously in the case of Steve Wilks) four SEC caliber players and zero-stars at CB. The 2022 team had several backups with FBS offers, including a 4*. There is not a position on the field defensively where they are vulnerable. You haven't done your homework on this team. I will grant you that the offense this year, while more balanced and perhaps with the best QB STA would have seen, the style of play is more favorable for an STA. Lakeland beat STA with dominant running games featuring elite RBs and running QBs. They're a bit lacking in that regard this year, so they'd struggle to score much without risking turnovers vs. STA. They'd have to win a 14-7 type of game, but are capable of that. The defense is considerably better than any you faced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, badrouter said: The 2008 comparison is silly. You were talking out of your ass with that. You played two opponents that were top 100ish. Struggled mightily in the 3 games played against them. You thought the 2008 team had a shot too until the game was played. This is no different. It's a defense mechanism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, 181pl said: Lakeland would probably have to play a more perfect game than St. Thomas, but they could certainly win the game. And vice versa. This is totally reasonable but this doesn't scratch the itch that all Lakeland fans have: antagonize other more highly-regarded programs after the season in order to get the ink that they could never get themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: I repeat the fact: STA has never failed to meet Lakeland when they had the chance. Lakeland, on the other hand, failed all the time. This inevitable skews the results. It would be like saying the New York Giants "own" the Patriots because they're 2-0 against them in Super Bowls despite the fact that the Giants failed to get there the other *7 times* the Patriots got there. Clever wording here which obfuscates seasons like 2009 and 2017, when both teams lost, but would have played major toss-up battles had they not been upset. The 2019 team was randomly assigned a road game at Armwood which they lost. Had it been at home, the result may have been reversed. And the sophomore Zion Turner led team would've had their hands full against that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: That Dillard fan vacation in the Bermuda Triangle this season? Bueller? 😉 Only the most obvious thing ever. Those kind of homers don't stick around long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, badrouter said: It's a fact. Objective truth, based on the level of recruitment of the players. I know that you're grasping for straws when your only "objectively true" metric is college recruitment. Results matter almost as much or more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Well, sure, a convenient point to make when you failed so often. STA has benefited immensely from avoiding most all of the elite teams in Dade and Broward in the playoffs year after year. And they seldom play playoff games in hostile road environments outside of its own county. Strictly based on playoff roadmap faced, Lakeland typically had a tougher draw than STA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, badrouter said: The 2022 team had several backups with FBS offers, including a 4*. There is not a position on the field defensively where they are vulnerable. You haven't done your homework on this team. No, you're just so full shit that nothing you say can be taken seriously. You pulled this same stunt in 2018. Demarkcus Bowman was better than Chris Rainey. Does he even play football anymore? Lloyd Summerall just transferred to that powerhouse in Tampa after flopping dramatically in Gainesville. And so on. One thing we can bank on is that Lakeland's players will last be seen on the side of a milk carton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, badrouter said: Clever wording here which obfuscates seasons like 2009 and 2017, Is that what you call truthful statements? Clever wording? Lakeland lost in the same round in 2009 and an *earlier* round in 2017. So therefore STA didn't fail to meet them. This is so simple as to be comical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 42 minutes ago, badrouter said: but would have played major toss-up battles had they not been upset. Lakeland didn't get to state. What are you not understanding? Lakeland failed 9 times to meet STA. STA never failed to meet Lakeland, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, badrouter said: The 2019 team was randomly assigned a road game at Armwood which they lost. When's the last time Lakeland won a meaningful road playoff game? When's the last time they won a state semifinal on the road? 2006? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, badrouter said: And the sophomore Zion Turner led team would've had their hands full against that team. You're very comfortable with such hypotheticals because you've failed so often to actually do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 20 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: I don't think 2009 would've been a draw. Manatee beat STA. Plant beat Lakeland. Plant beat Manatee. ironically, about two weeks ago, I watched as many highlights as I could from the Saint Thomas and Manatee semifinal game. Looking for one of my deceased friends on the sidelines, but paid close attention to the action, and in my opinion, St. Thomas badly underperformed. They probably should’ve beaten manatee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: When's the last time Lakeland won a meaningful road playoff game? When's the last time they won a state semifinal on the road? 2006? Niceville 2005? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: You played two opponents that were top 100ish. Struggled mightily in the 3 games played against them. You thought the 2008 team had a shot too until the game was played. This is no different. It's a defense mechanism. They played four games against teams in the beloved Calpreps top 130 ratings. They controlled three of the four games, with a running-clock in one of those games. The first Osceola and Venice games were fairly dominating performances that just happened to end as one score games due to self-inflicted wounds or coaches decisions. Even with all of the facemask penalties and fumbles, the Venice game was really a 17-point margin kind of game. A missed FG and taking a knee at the half-yard line is why it ended at 7 despite a 394-127 disparity in yards. The 2008 team demonstrated vulnerabilities on both sides of the ball at times, and struggled to put away several mediocre teams. The 2022 team was clearly controlling every single game except for the second Osceola game without their best OL and best DL playing. The comparison of 2008 and 2022 is completely asinine. The 2022 team had the best defense in the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, badrouter said: STA has benefited immensely from avoiding most all of the elite teams in Dade and Broward in the playoffs year after year. They've benefited more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, 181pl said: Manatee beat STA. Plant beat Lakeland. Plant beat Manatee. Irrelevant. STA played poorly but still lost by a touchdown on the road. Lakeland played at home and got shutout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, badrouter said: And they seldom play playoff games in hostile road environments outside of its own county. Try untwisting this pretzel. So first he claims that STA never played elite Dade/Broward teams in the playoffs. But then turns around and claims that they also seldom played road playoff games outside of Broward. Huh? Who were they playing then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 16 minutes ago, badrouter said: Strictly based on playoff roadmap faced, Lakeland typically had a tougher draw than STA. I'm here to do the accounting if you want. I'll be your Huckleberry. 👇 10 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: When's the last time Lakeland won a meaningful road playoff game? When's the last time they won a state semifinal on the road? 2006? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: No, you're just so full shit that nothing you say can be taken seriously. You pulled this same stunt in 2018. Demarkcus Bowman was better than Chris Rainey. Does he even play football anymore? Lloyd Summerall just transferred to that powerhouse in Tampa after flopping dramatically in Gainesville. And so on. One thing we can bank on is that Lakeland's players will last be seen on the side of a milk carton. And yet those players helped Lakeland beat STA by two touchdowns. Bowman went over 200 yards rushing. We both know we can count on one hand how many backs have done that. There's Bowman, Rainey and...who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, badrouter said: The first Osceola and Venice games were fairly dominating performances that just happened to end as one score games due to self-inflicted wounds or coaches decisions. In a 21-14 game you trailed 7-0 and 14-7. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, badrouter said: The 2022 team was clearly controlling every single game except for the second Osceola game without their best OL and best DL playing. You won your three toughest games by one score. This is clearly a case of you trying to rewrite recent history to flatter this Lakeland team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: This is totally reasonable but this doesn't scratch the itch that all Lakeland fans have: antagonize other more highly-regarded programs after the season in order to get the ink that they could never get themselves. They've gotten plenty of ink this season. And, there are several teams ahead of Lakeland in the final ratings that have done nothing to earn it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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