Nolebull813 Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 I believe SJB is the MNC because all year anyone who had an opinion on the matter had Miami Central and Chaminade as consensus top 3 Florida teams all year. (Along with STA) Most people had MC and Chaminade 1 and 2. You can flip them and no one would argue. But when BG dismantled Chaminade like they were a JV team it made take a step back and say whoa! BG lost to Mater Dei barely and dismantled every other team they played. Same with MD and SJB. They were just on another level. Chaminade to me would behind MC and STA in the final standings. I bet BG would beat most states number 3 team pretty bad too. I don’t think MC was as dominant as the top 3 teams in the country. I would say SJB is top dog and deserving of the MNC, and I think BG and MD are right behind in the rankings. Those 3 are in a class by themselves and then I would have teams like Miami Central, Duncanville, North Shore, Mill Creek and Hughes in the next tier 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTerrapin Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: This is such a silly excuse. "We can't have one of our teams play one more game before Christmas because of basketball and wrestling!" That's not the excuse. It's more about lining up with the not practicing/playing out of season rules and a team having an unfair advantage in that regard. The state associations have a start and end to the seasons. No one sport is treated any differently than the others. The line of thinking is if they allow one exception then that opens up Pandora Box for whatever. Really until the NFHS gets on board with post season and MNC stuff the state associations will stick to the end of the season being the state championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: I believe SJB is the MNC because all year anyone who had an opinion on the matter had Miami Central and Chaminade as consensus top 3 Florida teams all year. (Along with STA) Most people had MC and Chaminade 1 and 2. You can flip them and no one would argue. The Chaminade hype was always silly. They're basically the same team they always are except they have elite receivers and a top running back. In fact they were much worse defensively this year than they were last year and yet somehow people rated them higher. 👇 On 8/29/2022 at 7:52 AM, Atticus Finch said: Chaminade will inevitably let down their newly found bandwagon of fans. The same reason they found themselves down double digits to Highland last year and almost blew a 4 TD lead to St. John's is the reason they'll stumble somewhere along the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, OldTerrapin said: It's a clean sweep for SJB I am pretty sure. Chammy killed MC chances and brought Florida down. lol Central didn't play Chaminade so in no sane world would that game have any effect whatsoever on their championship hopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 31 minutes ago, OldTerrapin said: That's not the excuse. It's what you literally said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTerrapin Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: It's what you literally said. No shit it's what I said. It is basketball and wrestling season. That's a fact. You are making the leap that I said it was the reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, OldTerrapin said: No shit it's what I said. Then why did you say otherwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCGridiron Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 43 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: 😄 Bill Castle has an inflated record because he only gets to the STA game when he has undefeated/best-teams-in-school-history. We saw what happened 2008 when Lakeland won a bunch of close games and sorta backed their way into the state game. They got annihilated. This year's team is closer to 2008 than any of their other championship teams. The names Bill Castle/Lakeland makes Aquinas folk crap their pants, so go to bathroom and wipe your butt kid. The 2022 Dreadnaughts are par with the 2006 Dreadnaughts that had Castle Jr under center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTerrapin Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Central didn't play Chaminade so in no sane world would that game have any effect whatsoever on their championship hopes. We are not talking about a sane world. We are talking about a fake world of computer rankings and made up national championships. Fantasy land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTerrapin Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said: Then why did you say otherwise? So some bone smoker like you would try and get in some stupid debate with me. Duh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliNorth Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 48 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: I believe SJB is the MNC because all year anyone who had an opinion on the matter had Miami Central and Chaminade as consensus top 3 Florida teams all year. (Along with STA) Most people had MC and Chaminade 1 and 2. You can flip them and no one would argue. But when BG dismantled Chaminade like they were a JV team it made take a step back and say whoa! BG lost to Mater Dei barely and dismantled every other team they played. Same with MD and SJB. They were just on another level. Chaminade to me would behind MC and STA in the final standings. I bet BG would beat most states number 3 team pretty bad too. I don’t think MC was as dominant as the top 3 teams in the country. I would say SJB is top dog and deserving of the MNC, and I think BG and MD are right behind in the rankings. Those 3 are in a class by themselves and then I would have teams like Miami Central, Duncanville, North Shore, Mill Creek and Hughes in the next tier That is the way I saw it also . MD and Bosco are on another level . BG was damn good also. Should have played STA instead of Chaminade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, PCGridiron said: The names Bill Castle/Lakeland makes Aquinas folk crap their pants, so go to bathroom and wipe your butt kid. Whenever I see a notification from you I can be guaranteed that it will contain no substance. A common feature of any Lakeland fan is an angry bitterness that comes with the fact that you always have to get your ink off someone else. 2022 is no different. Went 14-0 and not a single person gives a shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, PCGridiron said: The 2022 Dreadnaughts are par with the 2006 Dreadnaughts that had Castle Jr under center. 😄 Sure, pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, OldTerrapin said: So some bone smoker like you would try and get in some stupid debate with me. Duh.. So you made up some bullshit excuse and then tried to walk it back when I mentioned it? Cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: 😄 Bill Castle has an inflated record because he only gets to the STA game when he has undefeated/best-teams-in-school-history. We saw what happened 2008 when Lakeland won a bunch of close games and sorta backed their way into the state game. They got annihilated. This year's team is closer to 2008 than any of their other championship teams. False. This is a different kind of team, and vastly superior. The offense underachieved at times, but had the pieces to move the ball on anyone. Defensively, let's put it this way: STA is 2-6 lifetime vs. Lakeland. This defense is *significantly* better than any of the defenses you've faced. The defense is good enough to keep them in the game against anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 minute ago, badrouter said: False. Objectively true. There isn't a single year in history where STA could've played Lakeland in the playoffs but didn't. Years where Lakeland could've played STA in the playoffs but wasn't good enough: 2007 2010 2012 2014 2015 2016 2019 2020 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 SJB won... But they just couldnt resist putting SM and Jserra in the top 110... Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, badrouter said: STA is 2-6 lifetime vs. Lakeland. 👇 1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said: Objectively true. There isn't a single year in history where STA could've played Lakeland in the playoffs but didn't. Years where Lakeland could've played STA in the playoffs but wasn't good enough: 2007 2010 2012 2014 2015 2016 2019 2020 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, badrouter said: This defense is *significantly* better than any of the defenses you've faced. You say the wildest shit. This might be right up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Objectively true. There isn't a single year in history where STA could've played Lakeland in the playoffs but didn't. Years where Lakeland could've played STA in the playoffs but wasn't good enough: 2007 2010 2012 2014 2015 2016 2019 2020 2021 A fair analysis would include the years they didn't play because they couldn't play, as well as years like 2009 and 2017, when it would've been a draw. And, playoffs are more about match ups, as well as the sometimes random road games where an undefeated team travels. A team can be upset, and knocked out of the playoffs, yet still have the capability to beat teams that play in later rounds. Regardless, my point about the 2022 defense remains, and is a problem for anyone who might have faced this team. You can look at all of the teams vying for a MNC this year and not one of them has a WR group that would figure to win their match ups consistently. How would your QB fare when he's looking at blanketed WRs every play? Lakeland would have to avoid the backbreaking penalties that plagued them this season. If they did that, no team would blow them out this year. The 2008 comparison is silly. You were talking out of your ass with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 I’m not picking a side on this, but I think anybody that watched the STA state game and the Lakeland state game would have to agree that a game between those teams would be pretty good. I don’t know who would win. Lakeland would probably have to play a more perfect game than St. Thomas, but they could certainly win the game. And vice versa. This is why we need to fix the classes in Florida. We don’t need nine classes. We need six. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 It’s a dream and then a nightmare upon waking up… to have a FL Open playoffs similar to AZ, but it will likely never happen. TX would be epic this way also, even if it’s all large class. Semis to finals. Just 2 games necessary imo. Let the rest do it as-is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: SJB won... But they just couldnt resist putting SM and Jserra in the top 110... Lol An example of how the ratings are structurally flawed. A 5 or 6 loss season in a certain area will usually get you a top 100 rating while a similar season elsewhere won't even get you top #300. 6-6 JSerra = #96 7-5 Orange Lutheran = #97 5-5 Santa Margarita = #203 ------------------ 6-5 Dillard = #303 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 56 minutes ago, badrouter said: A fair analysis would include the years they didn't play because they couldn't play, as well as years like 2009 and 2017, when it would've been a draw. I repeat the fact: STA has never failed to meet Lakeland when they had the chance. Lakeland, on the other hand, failed all the time. This inevitably skews the results. It would be like saying the New York Giants "own" the New England Patriots because they're 2-0 against them in Super Bowls despite the fact that the Giants failed to get there the other *7 times* the Patriots got there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, badrouter said: as well as years like 2009 and 2017, when it would've been a draw. I don't think 2009 would've been a draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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