If MLK Jr. was alive today he.....

[Atticus Finch]

Phillips wasn’t deterred. He argued that Wallace’s independent run, like the Dixiecrat campaign before it, was simply a “way station” in the migration of white southern conservatives. They had left the Democrats for good and would soon join the Republicans. “We’ll get two-thirds to three-fourths of the Wallace vote in nineteen seventy-two,” he confidently predicted.

[rockinl]

Character is a losing proposition vs. race in 2022.

[concha]

1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

This is a good one.

How the Republican Majority Emerged

(In an extreme example, Prentiss Walker, the first Republican congressman from Mississippi in a century, celebrated his 1964 victory with an appearance before a Ku Klux Klan front called Americans for the Preservation of the White Race.)

 

Is it as good as only one Dixiecrat senator who voted no to the civil rights acts turning Republican while 20 remained Democrats?

Or Senator Byrd once being a Grand Kleagle or some damned thing?

Or just one House Dixiecrat changing in the decade of the 60s? 

 

This was a gem:

By one count, of the 1500 racist Democrat leaders in the south (members of Congress, governors, judges) only 14 became Republicans. Some switch. Just one segregationist Dixiecrat senator – Strom Thurmond – switched parties. Every other Dixiecrat senator remained comfortably in the Democratic party, including, notably Al Gore Sr., J. William Fulbright and Robert Byrd.

https://www.chicoer.com/2019/04/03/letter-setting-the-record-straight-on-gop-democrats-switch/

 

 

[Nolebull813]

Democrats: We must pass voting rights because no one was able to vote in the 2020 election which had the most voters in history! 
 

[Atticus Finch]

15 hours ago, concha said:

This was a gem:

By one count, of the 1500 racist Democrat leaders in the south (members of Congress, governors, judges) only 14 became Republicans. Some switch. Just one segregationist Dixiecrat senator – Strom Thurmond – switched parties. Every other Dixiecrat senator remained comfortably in the Democratic party, including, notably Al Gore Sr., J. William Fulbright and Robert Byrd.

All three either changed their position (Fulbright, Byrd) or in Gore's case was never against the Civil Rights movement.

Gore voted for every *other* Civil Rights Act of the era and the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Why he voted against the 1964 one I don't know. Probably politics given that he was, indeed, a Southern Democrat.

But Gore lost reelection in 1970 for being a liberal. Ironically, a victim of the Republican Party's new racist political strategy that you will never, ever address.

Its also important to note that I actually already covered this but you ignored it.

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18 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

juke and jive, concha.

Anything you have to do to avoid facts.

This is all very simple. concha just needs to pretend that it's not in order to continue his charade.

They either left the Democratic Party (Strom Thurmond) or stayed and changed their opinion on Civil Rights (William Fulbright and countless others).

President Lyndon B. Johnson, although a southern Democrat himself, signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. This led to heavy opposition from both Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. Subsequent to the passage of civil rights legislation, many White southerners switched to the Republican Party at the national level. Many scholars have said that Southern whites shifted to the Republican Party due to racial conservatism.^[2][3][4] Many continued to vote for Democrats at the state and local levels, especially before the Republican Revolution of 1994.

 

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

Democrats: We must pass voting rights because no one was able to vote in the 2020 election which had the most voters in history! 

This, of course, is a strawman.

[Atticus Finch]

Reminder:

concha will never, *ever* address the historical record.

[concha]

40 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

Reminder:

concha will never, *ever* address the historical record.

 

You mean like the actual election results that prove there was no Big Switch and that you therefore lied? 🤡

Or that Republicans didn't control the South for 30 years, unlike your claim lie? 🤡

 

[concha]

22 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

And the vast majority of those Democrats became Republicans. 

The defining factor in that vote was North/South.

Zero Southern Republicans voted for it. A scattering of Southern Democrats did.

The important point is that after that vote, the no's became Republicans.

What political party ruled the red states after this vote for the foreseeable future? This is simply a fact of history and concha hates it.

 

Just a reminder to the class.

Ignorance or lies?

I vote "both".

 

The Historical Record:

• By one count, only 14 of about 1,500 racist Democrat office holders in the South ever turned Republican.
  • Just one federal-level senator switched (Strom Thurmond). One. The 20 others did not. Fun Fact: Thurmond was a pal of Joe Biden's.
  • Just one congressman in DC switched. One.
  • Looks like Andy is ignorant and/or a liar. But we already knew this.
• In fact, Southern senators and congressmen in DC didn't become majority Republican until the 1990s.
  • That's three decades AFTER Andy's claim.
  • Following the civil rights acts, Georgia didn't even elect a Republican governor until 2002. Alabama? 1986. Mississippi? 1992. You get the idea. Andy told us Republicans took control of the South in the 1960s.
  • Looks like Andy is ignorant and/or a liar. But we already knew this.

 

But this is a guy who shills for people who cry when you ask someone to show ID to buy a beer open a bank account get on an airplane enter a federal building vote for the most powerful man on earth.

 

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, concha said:

Just a reminder to the class.

concha stuck on page 1 because he knows he can't move forward and address the actual facts.

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22 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

President Lyndon B. Johnson, although a southern Democrat himself, signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. This led to heavy opposition from both Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. Subsequent to the passage of civil rights legislation, many White southerners switched to the Republican Party at the national level. Many scholars have said that Southern whites shifted to the Republican Party due to racial conservatism.^[2][3][4] Many continued to vote for Democrats at the state and local levels, especially before the Republican Revolution of 1994.

 

20 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Phillips wasn’t deterred. He argued that Wallace’s independent run, like the Dixiecrat campaign before it, was simply a “way station” in the migration of white southern conservatives. They had left the Democrats for good and would soon join the Republicans. “We’ll get two-thirds to three-fourths of the Wallace vote in nineteen seventy-two,” he confidently predicted.

 

[Atticus Finch]

2 hours ago, concha said:

You mean like the actual election results that prove there was no Big Switch and that you therefore lied? 

Imagine having to lie to make your worldview come right.

Imagine seeing this map, and knowing what the subsequent maps looked like, and making the above claim.

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23 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

It changed practically over night.

Again, a statement of fact that makes concha unconformable. 

1964 - Democrats still win many southern states

1968 - Wallace splits the vote, Democrats only win Johnson's home state

1972 - Democrats practically never win again except if a Southernern is on the ticket

 

[concha]

1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

Imagine having to lie to make your worldview come right.

Imagine seeing this map, and knowing what the subsequent maps looked like, and making the above claim.

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LMAO

It's easy to imagine because the politicians that Andy was talking about didn't become majority Republican for 30 years! 🤡

Andy tries to use presidential elections to cover for his lies and counts on people not catching his sleight-of-hand.  

That's what liars like Andy do.

Even in the presidential elections he uses, one shows the South being won by a Democrat-turned-Independent for a Year and the last is from an election where the Republican won basically EVERYWHERE, even the vast majority of usually solid-blue states. 🤡

 

Andy claimed that Southern Dixiecrat Congressmen in DC turned Republican after 1964.  

Here's what the congressional map looked like 10 years later:

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

The South looking REALLY Republican, Andy!  🤣

 

Maybe Andy was just lying about those 10 years and they turned red after that...

Let's check. Here's the congressional map 20 years later:

 

And the hilarity of Andy's lies continues...

That's an awful lot of blue for a region Andy said turned Republican 20 YEARS BEFORE.

🤡  🤣

 

 

[Atticus Finch]

9 minutes ago, concha said:

LMAO

Cue concha reverting to his congressional map and ignoring everything that's been said afterwards.

[Atticus Finch]

Remember, concha will never, ever, address this.

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23 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

President Lyndon B. Johnson, although a southern Democrat himself, signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. This led to heavy opposition from both Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. Subsequent to the passage of civil rights legislation, many White southerners switched to the Republican Party at the national level. Many scholars have said that Southern whites shifted to the Republican Party due to racial conservatism.^[2][3][4] Many continued to vote for Democrats at the state and local levels, especially before the Republican Revolution of 1994.

 

[Atticus Finch]

11 minutes ago, concha said:

Even in the presidential elections he uses, one shows the South being won by a Democrat-turned-Independent for a Year and the last is from an election where the Republican won basically EVERYWHERE, even the vast majority of usually solid-blue states. 

In order to be as prolific a liar as concha one necessarily has to avoid addressing issues of fact that have already been mentioned.

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21 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Phillips wasn’t deterred. He argued that Wallace’s independent run, like the Dixiecrat campaign before it, was simply a “way station” in the migration of white southern conservatives. They had left the Democrats for good and would soon join the Republicans. “We’ll get two-thirds to three-fourths of the Wallace vote in nineteen seventy-two,” he confidently predicted.

 

[Atticus Finch]

I repeat:

concha will never, ever address any of it.

[concha]

Just now, Atticus Finch said:

Cue concha reverting to his congressional map and ignoring everything that's been said afterwards.

 

 

It's congress that was the topic.  🤡

Andy tried to to dodge and deflect because he got his ass handed to him and was caught lying.

He claimed that the Southern Democrats who voted "no" (Congressmen and Senators) on the 1964 civil rights bill changed parties right after and the South was ruled by Republicans from thereafter.

These are proven and COLOSSAL LIES.

Almost NO party switches happened. Those people - almost to a man - remained and died DEMOCRATS. Proven.

Southern states mostly elected DEMOCRATS to the US Congress and Senate for THREE DECADES. Proven. Governors? Mainly Dems. For DECADES.

 

Andy lied his ass off.

People shocked?

Zero.

 

 

 

[Atticus Finch]

2 minutes ago, concha said:

It's congress that was the topic.  

Again, this has all been mentioned before and you've ignored it because you will get bodied on the actual history.

You've become quite adept at knowing when you're going to lose and you adjust accordingly.

[Atticus Finch]

3 minutes ago, concha said:

It's congress that was the topic.  🤡

Andy tried to to dodge and deflect because he got his ass handed to him and was caught lying.

He claimed that the Southern Democrats who voted "no" (Congressmen and Senators) on the 1964 civil rights bill changed parties right after and the South was ruled by Republicans from thereafter.

These are proven and COLOSSAL LIES.

Almost NO party switches happened. Those people - almost to a man - remained and died DEMOCRATS. Proven.

Southern states mostly elected DEMOCRATS to the US Congress and Senate for THREE DECADES. Proven. Governors? Mainly Dems. For DECADES.

Andy lied his ass off.

People shocked?

Zero.

concha copying and pasting his screeds from the first page because he's totally feckless regarding the historical record.

He will never, ever address the facts.

Everybody must notice, by now, that this is deliberate.

[concha]

10 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

Remember, concha will never, ever, address this.

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It's been addressed.

Congressmen and Senators are national politicians. Part of our national government who meet in our national capital.

Andy completely lied about these people.

Proven and irrefutable.

 

Andy is such a dishonest person and shameless liar that in order to deflect from his embarrassment he wants people to believe they are state/local.  🤣

The county commissioner and dog catcher are local, Andy.  The governor is state level, Andy. He governs... the state.

US Congressmen and Senators govern the nation, Andy. Hence "national".

🤡

 

[concha]

4 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

Again, this has all been mentioned before and you've ignored it because you will get bodied on the actual history.

You've become quite adept at knowing when you're going to lose and you adjust accordingly.

 

You're the one lying about this, Andy.

You made claims that were easily demonstrated to be lies.

You refuse to own up to it.

 

[Atticus Finch]

1 minute ago, concha said:

It's been addressed.

You have not moved off of your purposeful digression.

 

[concha]

4 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

concha copying and pasting his screeds from the first page because he's totally feckless regarding the historical record.

He will never, ever address the facts.

Everybody must notice, by now, that this is deliberate.

 

You made claims that were lies.

I proved them to be lies.

With facts and stuff like that.

You are simply a liar who refuses to own up to the fact you were caught and exposed.

Simple.

 

 

[Atticus Finch]

4 minutes ago, concha said:

Congressmen and Senators are national politicians. Part of our national government who meet in our national capital.

 This is a red herring which, again, allows you to avoid the actual topic.

House races are local.

This has been discussed and avoided by you.

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23 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

President Lyndon B. Johnson, although a southern Democrat himself, signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. This led to heavy opposition from both Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. Subsequent to the passage of civil rights legislation, many White southerners switched to the Republican Party at the national level. Many scholars have said that Southern whites shifted to the Republican Party due to racial conservatism.^[2][3][4] Many continued to vote for Democrats at the state and local levels, especially before the Republican Revolution of 1994.

concha will never address this because he can't lie about it. The historical record is too well-known.

[Atticus Finch]

6 minutes ago, concha said:

Andy is such a dishonest person and shameless liar that in order to deflect from his embarrassment he wants people to believe they are state/local.  

concha is so afraid of the truth that his political allies are Jim Crow racists that he will lie about congressional races not being local.