If MLK Jr. was alive today he.....

[concha]

10 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

This has already been thoroughly debunked.

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concha will continue to do this tap dance because he is utterly bereft of an argument against the factual record.

His political antecedents were Jim Crow southerners. It's not up for any kind of debate. 

He will assuredly try some other magic trick to avoid this topic.

 

You didn't debunk a thing.

You made a claim about Dem pols in the 60s who voted against the NATIONAL civil rights acts then immediately switched to become Republicans and the Republicans controlled the South from then on.

The FACTUAL RECORD ("election results") prove your claim to be bullshit.

What's really happening here is that Andy is a gullible dumbass who has assumed the Dem narrative to be true. Because he is a sheep.

Look at 1964 House election results. This was the state of the Congress when Andy claims all the racist Dems turned red and the Republicans took over the South:

 

1974 (Still overwhelmingly blue. TEN years on and where are all the Southern racists who ran to the Republicans?):

 

Now 1984. Still lotsa blue...:

 

1994.  THIRTY years on and finally seeing red competing:

 

2004:

[Atticus Finch]

4 minutes ago, concha said:

You didn't debunk a thing.

I did.

You will just never address it.

[Atticus Finch]

19 hours ago, concha said:

You made a claim about Dem pols in the 60s who voted against the NATIONAL civil rights acts then immediately switched to become Republicans and the Republicans controlled the South from then on.

My statement was about Presidential electoral politics. You then changed it to House races which is fine and easily explainable.

It was explained and now you're *still* talking about it because you have no other move.

You are boxed in by factual history and are left to battle on irrelevant points to avoid the truth.

[concha]

Just now, Atticus Finch said:

I did.

You will just never address it.

 

Other than Strom Thurmond - a friend of President Brandon - how many Southern Dems who voted against the civil rights acts in the early 60s became Republicans, Andy?

I'll wait...

 

[Atticus Finch]

7 minutes ago, concha said:

What's really happening here is that Andy is a gullible dumbass who has assumed the Dem narrative to be true. Because he is a sheep.

What's happening is that concha is in lie bot mode and is regurgitating maps because he doesn't have anything else to say on this topic.

He knows that the Republican Party welcomed all of the southern racists. He knows that this is part of the factual record. He knows all of this.

He refuses to say it so he can nitpick immaterial points to prop up his fragile ego.

This is his MO.

[Atticus Finch]

1 minute ago, concha said:

Other than Strom Thurmond - a friend of President Brandon - how many Southern Dems who voted against the civil rights acts in the early 60s became Republicans, Andy?

I'll wait...

You will never, ever address these points.

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1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

1972

1984

 

1988

2000

2004

The Democratic Party didn't win a single Southern state where a Southerner wasn't on their ticket from 1972 until Obama in 2008.

 

50 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

The 1994 Republican Revolution nationalized local races.

This is common knowledge.

Those voters always existed but still voted for the same local politicians that they had for generations.

Your point is immaterial to anything and is refuted by your own maps.

 

[concha]

Just now, Atticus Finch said:

My statement was about Presidential electoral politics. You then changed it to House races which is fine and easily explainable.

It was explained and now you're *still* talking about it because you have no other move.

You are boxed on by factual history and are left to battle on irrelevant points to avoid the truth.

 

You are lying.

You claimed, and I quote:

"The important point is that after that vote, the no's became Republicans.

What political party ruled the red states after this vote for the foreseeable future? This is simply a fact of history and concha hates it."

 

The "no's" were congressmen and senators.

You are a pathetic liar.

 

[concha]

Per Andy:

"The important point is that after that vote, the no's became Republicans.

What political party ruled the red states after this vote for the foreseeable future? This is simply a fact of history and concha hates it."

 

Other than Strom Thurmond - a friend of President Brandon - how many Southern Dems who voted against the civil rights acts in the early 60s became Republicans, Andy?

And if your quote is not a lie, how is it that Dems controlled most Southern House seats in Washington DC until the 1990s?

I'll continue waiting...

 

[Atticus Finch]

3 minutes ago, concha said:

You are lying.

Clearly not.

You are running scared from the facts.

You are dodging worse than ever.

Everybody knows it.

[concha]

 

Oh, and I love how Andy makes this statement about 1994 and completely ignores the previous 30 years of federal House elections that prove him to be a partisan-hack liar.

🤣

  

[Atticus Finch]

juke and jive, concha.

Anything you have to do to avoid facts.

This is all very simple. concha just needs to pretend that it's not in order to continue his charade.

They either left the Democratic Party (Strom Thurmond) or stayed and changed their opinion on Civil Rights (William Fulbright and countless others).

President Lyndon B. Johnson, although a southern Democrat himself, signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. This led to heavy opposition from both Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans. Subsequent to the passage of civil rights legislation, many White southerners switched to the Republican Party at the national level. Many scholars have said that Southern whites shifted to the Republican Party due to racial conservatism.^[2][3][4] Many continued to vote for Democrats at the state and local levels, especially before the Republican Revolution of 1994.

[Atticus Finch]

4 minutes ago, concha said:

Oh, and I love how Andy makes this statement about 1994 and completely ignores the previous 30 years of federal House elections that prove him to be a partisan-hack liar.

 

This doesn't even make sense.

1994 was when it changed so it goes without saying that before 1994 it remained mostly the same in house races.

But, again, you will never *ever* address this.

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1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

The 1994 Republican Revolution nationalized local races.

This is common knowledge.

Those voters always existed but still voted for the same local politicians that they had for generations.

Your point is immaterial to anything and is refuted by your own maps.

 

[concha]

1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said:

Clearly not.

You are running scared from the facts.

You are dodging worse than ever.

Everybody knows it.

 

I'm happy to repeat your lies, Andy.

 

Andy Lie #1) You claimed that the Dems who voted "no" on the federal civil rights acts of the early 60s switched to become Republicans. A lie. Only Strom Thurmond did.

Andy Lie #2) You claimed that Republicans took over the South from then on as a result.  Election results for the seats you mentioned in "1" prove you to be a liar.  Republicans did not gain a House majority in the South for at least 30 years.

Andy Lie #3) Because you were getting your ass handed to you,  you falsely claimed to be talking about presidential election results. Obviously, your claim in "1" above shows this to be a lie.

 

You are getting your ass kicked and lying and pivoting and shucking and jiving.

And it is hilarious.

🤣

 

[Atticus Finch]

Just now, concha said:

you falsely claimed to be talking about presidential election results. Obviously, your claim in "1" above shows this to be a lie.

No, I actually *was* talking about Presidential politics. 

And even when you changed the subject I talked about house races too. It's all in the historical record.

Which is why you will never, ever address it.

concha will never, ever address my original post or the one about the Southern Strategy or the one where I posted maps from *Presidential elections* to illustrate the point.

Never, EVER.

[concha]

 

The lying and ducking and dodging is now an Olympic-level sport with Andy.

 

"The no's became Republicans and the South was thereafter Republican"

But the Dems controlled the Southern House seats in Congress for another 30 years. And only Strom Thurmond switched parties.

"Oh, shit. Really? Well, forget what I said.  Federal House elections are now local. And I was talking about the presidency. Yeah.... that's the ticket!"  🤡

 

 

[concha]

7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

No, I actually *was* talking about Presidential politics. 

And even when you changed the subject I talked about house races too. It's all in the historical record.

Which is why you will never, ever address it.

concha will never, ever address my original post or the one about the Southern Strategy or the one where I posted maps from *Presidential elections* to illustrate the point.

Never, EVER.

 

I'll just let Andy's own words show him to be the liar he is:

"The important point is that after that vote, the no's became Republicans. [Proven wrong using actual election results over several decades. Only one "no" vote became a Republican. This also disproves Andy's lie about talking about presidential elections, not congressional.]

What political party ruled the red states after this vote for the foreseeable future? [The Democrats for at least 30 years. Again proven using election results for the same seats Andy was talking about above] This is simply a fact of history and concha hates it."

 

 

  

 

[Atticus Finch]

concha still juking and jiving.

Will never, *EVER* address these.

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1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

1972

1984

 

1988

2000

2004

The Democratic Party didn't win a single Southern state where a Southerner wasn't on their ticket from 1972 until Obama in 2008.

1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

The 1994 Republican Revolution nationalized local races.

This is common knowledge.

Those voters always existed but still voted for the same local politicians that they had for generations.

Your point is immaterial to anything and is refuted by your own maps.

 

[concha]

9 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

concha still juking and jiving.

Will never, *EVER* address these.

👇

 

 

I actually did.

 

This is from guy who LIED that the Dems who voted "no" in the 1960s federal civil rights votes became Republicans and that as a result Republicans took control of the South from then on.

 

The truth?

• ONE such man changed parties. O-N-E. Andy lied.
• The South remained very blue in both the House and the Senate for a long, long time. Andy lied.
• Andy tried to cover for being exposed as the liar he is by pivoting to presidential elections, showing results where the Dem candidates tended to get massacred everywhere in landslides. 🤡

 

 

[Atticus Finch]

2 minutes ago, concha said:

I actually did.

You didn't.

The historical record is clear.

You will never, ever, ever address this.

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1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

Remember, everybody. This *never* happened!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.^[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right.^[4]

 

1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.^[13][14]

 

1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

Richard Nixon's chief political strategist Kevin Phillips said:

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.^[1]"

 

[Atticus Finch]

3 minutes ago, concha said:

This is from guy who LIED that the Dems who voted "no" in the 1960s federal civil rights votes became Republicans and that as a result Republicans took control of the South from then on.

The truth?

• ONE such man changed parties. O-N-E. Andy lied.
• The South remained very blue in both the House and the Senate for a long, long time. Andy lied.
• Andy tried to cover for being exposed as the liar he is by pivoting to presidential elections, showing results where the Dem candidates tended to get massacred everywhere in landslides. 🤡

 

concha keeps repeating this line because he must to avoid the actual historical record.

He's running scared as he usually does.

[concha]

Just now, Atticus Finch said:

concha keeps repeating this line because he must to avoid the actual historical record.

He's running scared as he usually does.

 

Except for the part where the actual historical record shows that Andy lied.

Just one guy changed parties. Andy said they all did. He lied. Proven.

He claimed that as a result of the his first lie, that the South went Republican thereafter. A lie. Congressional reps from the South remained mainly Dems for at least three decades. Senate also.

 

Andy is like the message board Black Knight of Month Python fame.

 

[Atticus Finch]

1 minute ago, concha said:

Except for the part where the actual historical record shows that Andy lied.

It doesn't.

You're nitpicking a point that's long been addressed.

You are running scared on the actual substance.

Everybody knows this.

[Atticus Finch]

concha will never admit that his points were addressed and that he refuses to address these points.

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2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

It changed practically over night.

Again, a statement of fact that makes concha unconformable. 

1964 - Democrats still win many southern states

1968 - Wallace splits the vote, Democrats only win Johnson's home state

1972 - Democrats practically never win again except if a Southernern is on the ticket

 

2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

The 1994 Republican Revolution nationalized local races.

This is common knowledge.

Those voters always existed but still voted for the same local politicians that they had for generations.

Your point is immaterial to anything and is refuted by your own maps.

 

[Atticus Finch]

Or these.

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1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

Remember, everybody. This *never* happened!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.^[1][2][3] As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party rather than the Republican Party. It also helped to push the Republican Party much more to the right.^[4]

 

1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.^[13][14]

 

1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

Richard Nixon's chief political strategist Kevin Phillips said:

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats.^[1]"

 

[Atticus Finch]

This is a good one.

How the Republican Majority Emerged

(In an extreme example, Prentiss Walker, the first Republican congressman from Mississippi in a century, celebrated his 1964 victory with an appearance before a Ku Klux Klan front called Americans for the Preservation of the White Race.)