concha Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Curious as to thoughts about how a change to the stranglehold of a chosen few on the CFP might happen. https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/ Based on the above link, the talent gap is very real. Teams with the most 5-stars: Bama (14), Georgia (19), Ohio State (16), Clemson (10) Next highest is Oklahoma with 7 Fewer than 10 teams can boast 5 or more. There are 16 teams with 40+ 4-star players, but the average recruit rating for Bama, Georgia and Ohio State is well above any others. Keep in mind that while four-star kids are considered excellent, the difference between them and a five-star is roughly being in the top 30 nation-wide versus the top 350, or top 10% versus top 1% (they are described as the equivalent of NFL draft first rounders). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooverOutlaw Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Recruiting is part of coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted January 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 29 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said: Recruiting is part of coaching. But certain coaches have the advantage of resources and existing talent bases that makes recruiting 5-star and high 4-star players easier. Part of what made Urban Meyer successful at Ohio State is that he inherited talent. Ditto Ryan Day. All else equal, a coach with a stable of players with a bunch of 5-stars is more likely to be able to recruit more of them than the same coach who takes over at a school with mostly 3-stars. Why? Because when you have the elite talent you get to play for national titles. Ohio State literally has more 5-star players than the rest of the B1G combined. That's a primary reason why they've been to the playoffs several times and no other B1G program has been more than once. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Talent begets talent. The top 5 teams in terms of current 5* talent have been to the playoffs a combined 23 times out of 32 possible. That means on average, three of the four spots are taken up one of just 5 programs every year. Only one team outside those 5 - Notre Dame - has made it more than once. So, kids who want the most exposure and the opportunity to win natties tend to go to just a small handful of schools. Coaching turnover will affect this from time-to-time, Saban eventually leaving Bama, for example. Lincoln Riley's move to USC may be another we'll see over the next 3 or 4 years as he's taken a proven product to a big name school in a talent-rich region that has been hemorrhaging its best players for years. He's already got three 5* commits for the 2023 class, and it's early. USC currently only has two on their entire roster. Expanding the playoffs should help also, by opening up spots to compete to more programs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneNick Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Michigan was pretty dominant in the game against osu. They got manhandled today. Hutchinson got abused all night. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 7 hours ago, concha said: Curious as to thoughts about how a change to the stranglehold of a chosen few on the CFP might happen. https://247sports.com/Season/2021-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/ Based on the above link, the talent gap is very real. Teams with the most 5-stars: Bama (14), Georgia (19), Ohio State (16), Clemson (10) Next highest is Oklahoma with 7 Fewer than 10 teams can boast 5 or more. There are 16 teams with 40+ 4-star players, but the average recruit rating for Bama, Georgia and Ohio State is well above any others. Keep in mind that while four-star kids are considered excellent, the difference between them and a five-star is roughly being in the top 30 nation-wide versus the top 350, or top 10% versus top 1% (they are described as the equivalent of NFL draft first rounders). Stetson Bennett didn't look like a walk-on last night. He looked better than Bryce Young, the Heisman winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooverOutlaw Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 8 hours ago, concha said: But certain coaches have the advantage of resources and existing talent bases that makes recruiting 5-star and high 4-star players easier. Part of what made Urban Meyer successful at Ohio State is that he inherited talent. Ditto Ryan Day. All else equal, a coach with a stable of players with a bunch of 5-stars is more likely to be able to recruit more of them than the same coach who takes over at a school with mostly 3-stars. Why? Because when you have the elite talent you get to play for national titles. Ohio State literally has more 5-star players than the rest of the B1G combined. That's a primary reason why they've been to the playoffs several times and no other B1G program has been more than once. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Talent begets talent. The top 5 teams in terms of current 5* talent have been to the playoffs a combined 23 times out of 32 possible. That means on average, three of the four spots are taken up one of just 5 programs every year. Only one team outside those 5 - Notre Dame - has made it more than once. So, kids who want the most exposure and the opportunity to win natties tend to go to just a small handful of schools. Coaching turnover will affect this from time-to-time, Saban eventually leaving Bama, for example. Lincoln Riley's move to USC may be another we'll see over the next 3 or 4 years as he's taken a proven product to a big name school in a talent-rich region that has been hemorrhaging its best players for years. He's already got three 5* commits for the 2023 class, and it's early. USC currently only has two on their entire roster. Expanding the playoffs should help also, by opening up spots to compete to more programs. Very few places are going to give a coach unquestioned control a few examples Alabama Georgia Duke Basketball Ohio State Oklahoma Ole Miss Lane is the King Clemson Kentucky Basketball Examples of just the opposite boosters or administration interfering Texas the king of control freak boosters USC administration issues Auburn boosters Texas AM boosters issues Florida administration outside of Meyer and Spurrier time periods Miami no support from boosters administration issues 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 8 hours ago, concha said: But certain coaches have the advantage of resources and existing talent bases that makes recruiting 5-star and high 4-star players easier. Part of what made Urban Meyer successful at Ohio State is that he inherited talent. Ditto Ryan Day. All else equal, a coach with a stable of players with a bunch of 5-stars is more likely to be able to recruit more of them than the same coach who takes over at a school with mostly 3-stars. Why? Because when you have the elite talent you get to play for national titles. Ohio State literally has more 5-star players than the rest of the B1G combined. That's a primary reason why they've been to the playoffs several times and no other B1G program has been more than once. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Talent begets talent. The top 5 teams in terms of current 5* talent have been to the playoffs a combined 23 times out of 32 possible. That means on average, three of the four spots are taken up one of just 5 programs every year. Only one team outside those 5 - Notre Dame - has made it more than once. So, kids who want the most exposure and the opportunity to win natties tend to go to just a small handful of schools. Coaching turnover will affect this from time-to-time, Saban eventually leaving Bama, for example. Lincoln Riley's move to USC may be another we'll see over the next 3 or 4 years as he's taken a proven product to a big name school in a talent-rich region that has been hemorrhaging its best players for years. He's already got three 5* commits for the 2023 class, and it's early. USC currently only has two on their entire roster. Expanding the playoffs should help also, by opening up spots to compete to more programs. You do realize Clemson was nowhere for many years before Swinney came (and for a few years afterwards). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Ohio State should post a similar result today in the Rose Bowl as Alabama and Georgia did in their games yesterday. Unless a bunch of kids opted out or got The Covid -- I have no idea how OSU has been affected by those. But their roster should dominate Utah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted January 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, maxchoboian said: Ohio State should post a similar result today in the Rose Bowl as Alabama and Georgia did in their games yesterday. Unless a bunch of kids opted out or got The Covid -- I have no idea how OSU has been affected by those. But their roster should dominate Utah. They have about 4 notable opt-outs. Ohio State's issue this year isn't talent, it's the atrocious approach to defense. Damn near a capital crime. It's why they've hired Knowles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooverOutlaw Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, concha said: They have about 4 notable opt-outs. Ohio State's issue this year isn't talent, it's the atrocious approach to defense. Damn near a capital crime. It's why they've hired Knowles. Ohio State is probably my 3rd or 4th favorite team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted January 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 52 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said: Ohio State is probably my 3rd or 4th favorite team. Knowles looks to get their defense back to an aggressive unit that takes advantage of its superior athletes. The rush 4 and soft zone coverage they've been using has been like a weekly kick in the balls for Buckeye fans the last couple of seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaballer Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 Cincinnati Is better than Michigan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooverOutlaw Posted January 1, 2022 Report Share Posted January 1, 2022 6 hours ago, RedZone said: Stetson Bennett didn't look like a walk-on last night. He looked better than Bryce Young, the Heisman winner. If you really think Bennett is better than Bryce you must be on bath salts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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