Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, NicholasMalibu said: Rankings in December deal with what you've done on the field, not potential. And STA has 11 running clocks and a tie against everybody's #1 team in Vegas. Try to learn something for once. Evolve a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 minute ago, krs12345 said: OK and in College its at the 25 so do you not count the final score for that as well? Nobody even intimated that the final score shouldn't count. It's just that nobody with any brain cells considers overtime statistics when judging the quality of a defense. Especially in high school starting from the 10 yard line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, krs12345 said: It's the rules of the game. But it's not accurate in judging defensive quality. Are you really this obtuse? Good lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasMalibu Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, LOSer said: STA is being ranked on what they've done. 11 running clocks and a tie at Bishop Gorman. ...and a loss* at Bishop Gorman. Boom, FIFY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasMalibu Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, LOSer said: And STA has 11 running clocks and a tie against everybody's #1 team in Vegas. Try to learn something for once. Evolve a little bit. And a 4 point loss to 4 loss BTW. STA lost by 4 to a 4 loss BTW team. Say it out loud... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just now, NicholasMalibu said: And a 4 point loss to 4 loss BTW. STA lost by 4 to a 4 loss BTW team. Say it out loud... And I bet Vegas would throw that one out too in their evaluation. But, again, they're sharps for a reason. You marks for totally unrelated reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krs12345 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, LOSer said: But it's not accurate in judging defensive quality. Are you really this obtuse? Good lord. You are clearly the "obtuse" one on this board because the subject was not about ranking defensive quality of STA genius. Look at the Gorman's offensive numbers over the past 3 years and tell me that teams are stopping them on a consistent basis. It's laughable the numbers they are putting up on some of the country's best programs. How did STA give up so many points against BTW if they are so stout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, krs12345 said: You are clearly the "obtuse" one on this board because the subject was not about ranking defensive quality of STA genius. It's possible to be this stupid and function in society. Amazing. You said that nobody can stop Bishop Gorman, Centennial, etc. STA held Gorman to 10 points. You responded that giving up 10 yards in overtime should be treated equally to giving up touchdowns in regulation. I respond to that. Then you claim that this thread has nothing to do with defense. You are already in the same category with clowns like NickMalibu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 7 minutes ago, krs12345 said: Look at the Gorman's offensive numbers over the past 3 years and tell me that teams are stopping them on a consistent basis. You said nobody can stop them. STA held to to 10 points. What does consistent basis have to do with your claim that 'nobody can stop them'? Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krs12345 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Look at the numbers each of those programs have posted against quality competition over the last 5 years and tell me that people are stopping them consistently. If you every played football and its obvious you haven't then you would know that a 1-game scenario against a top team can result in an outlier compared to the remainder of a schedule over time. It's not rocket science smart guy. STA lost to a 4 loss team this year so why are they even being discussed anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, krs12345 said: It's laughable the numbers they are putting up on some of the country's best programs. In their nationally relevant era (since 2010 or so) they've scored 10 against STA, 17 against Armwood and 12 against BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krs12345 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, LOSer said: You said nobody can stop them. STA held to to 10 points. What does consistent basis have to do with your claim that 'nobody can stop them'? Unbelievable. Again the final score was 25-24 so the fact you continue to claim they were held to 10 points is laughable. The over time rules are there for a reason and the final score is what counts regardless of some strange logic you are attempting to use. In Vegas if you bet an under and the game goes into OT do you win based on the regulation score or the total? Clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, krs12345 said: How did STA give up so many points against BTW if they are so stout? Turned the ball over 5 times including twice inside the 30. Gave up about 3 big plays over the top. Made some tweaks (including changing free safeties) and have only given up 68 points in regulation since then. Most of those against the 2's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, krs12345 said: Look at the numbers each of those programs have posted against quality competition over the last 5 years and tell me that people are stopping them consistently. Now you're just making things up to cover for your silly statement. You said nobody could stop them. That's wrong. And, again, for clarity: 2011: 17 points against Armwood 2013: 12 points against BTW 2016: 10 points against STA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krs12345 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just now, LOSer said: Turned the ball over 5 times including twice inside the 30. Gave up about 3 big plays over the top. Made some tweaks (including changing free safeties) and have only given up 68 points in regulation since then. Most of those against the 2's. Again, STA is a top program but a loss is a loss and excuses don't matter.....scoreboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, LOSer said: In their nationally relevant era (since 2010 or so) they've scored 10 against STA, 17 against Armwood and 12 against BTW. The team that played BTW was terrible offensively. Their defense was top notch and really beat the the BTW offense. That Armwood game was a great game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 had to switch that up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 minute ago, krs12345 said: The over time rules are there for a reason and the final score is what counts regardless of some strange logic you are attempting to use. You are certifiably stupid. No question. The rules are to settle a tie. Not determine defensive ability. Nobody said the final score shouldn't count! Not one person has ever said that. It's just that a bunch of points scored from the 10 yard line have nothing to do with defensive quality. So it's not used by any rational person to judge defenses. Got it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krs12345 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just now, LOSer said: Now you're just making things up to cover for your silly statement. You said nobody could stop them. That's wrong. And, again, for clarity: 2011: 17 points against Armwood 2013: 12 points against BTW 2016: 10 points against STA You cited 3 games in 6 years all against top 25 programs lol. You do understand that they have played over 90 games during that time right? You also understand that terms like nobody is figurative not literal correct? The Golden St Warriors have games where they are shut down but the reality is nobody is really shutting them down on a consistent basis. 1 game scenarios can be outliers and clearly 3 games in 90 qualify as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, krs12345 said: Again, STA is a top program but a loss is a loss and excuses don't matter.....scoreboard. This is why you'll never be any better at analysis then you are right now. Frighteningly obtuse. Saying that overtime is a tie-breaking mechanism is not an excuse. It's just the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krs12345 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 minute ago, krs12345 said: You cited 3 games in 6 years all against top 25 programs lol. You do understand that they have played over 90 games during that time right? You also understand that terms like nobody is figurative not literal correct? The Golden St Warriors have games where they are shut down but the reality is nobody is really shutting them down on a consistent basis. 1 game scenarios can be outliers and clearly 3 games in 90 qualify as such. It's like in boxing when people say "Nobody can hit Floyd Mayweather" that doesn't mean he never gets hit in a literal sense only that it's rare that he is hit hard and on a consistent basis. Don't take this stuff so serious dude its high school football lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, krs12345 said: You cited 3 games in 6 years all against top 25 programs lol. You said nobody could stop them. Three single teams from Florida did stop them. So you were wrong. But somehow you're laughing at me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krs12345 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just now, LOSer said: This is why you'll never be any better at analysis then you are right now. Frighteningly obtuse. Saying that overtime is a tie-breaking mechanism is not an excuse. It's just the truth. This thread was not about analyzing STA's defense it was about the fact that when teams like Corona Centennial, Gorman and Mater Dei play teams they often score a ton of points and in high school it's not always that the defense is bad when they do. I think we can all agree that IMG had one of the best defenses in the nation with 8 D1 players yet they gave up a 49 spot to Centennial. Outliers happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, krs12345 said: You do understand that they have played over 90 games during that time right? But only 4 of them against Florida teams and 3 of them held them to under 17 points. You're about to surpass luminaries like NickMalibu in the clueless category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, krs12345 said: The Golden St Warriors have games where they are shut down but the reality is nobody is really shutting them down on a consistent basis. STA, Armwood and BTW can't do it on a consistent basis since they have only played them once. Do you think those 3 games are outliers or something more is involved? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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