Guest LOSer Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, Horsefly said: north shore A team that's given up 21, 17, 16, 16, 19, 22, 21, 33 and 26 this season. If that's one of your examples then I think the general rule is valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, LOSer said: A team that's given up 21, 17, 16, 16, 19, 22, 21, 33 and 26 this season. If that's one of your examples then I think the general rule is valid. Counter example 2015 Katy: 20, 17, 8, 7, 7, 3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 33 minutes ago, LOSer said: A team that's given up 21, 17, 16, 16, 19, 22, 21, 33 and 26 this season. If that's one of your examples then I think the general rule is valid. You overlooked my first criteria in comparing and that is to compare OOS teams defenses vs common opponents. I offered two examples of that with similar defensive results. (Hoover vs allen and grayson and gorman vs cocoa and cedar hill) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 25 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Counter example 2015 Katy: 20, 17, 8, 7, 7, 3, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 I'd say if you can only come up with one (or two) examples then the point stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 23 minutes ago, Horsefly said: You overlooked my first criteria in comparing and that is to compare OOS teams defenses vs common opponents. I offered two examples of that with similar defensive results. (Hoover vs allen and grayson and gorman vs cocoa and cedar hill) If that's all you've got then that's pretty weak. So one or two schools and one or two OOS examples. That's awfully thin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 minute ago, LOSer said: I'd say if you can only come up with one (or two) examples then the point stands. But isn't that exactly what you just did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, LOSer said: If that's all you've got then that's pretty weak. So one or two schools and one or two OOS examples. That's awfully thin. The whole argument is weak in comparing OOS teams in the fist place, but I'm not the one that made the statement, 181 did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 9 minutes ago, dntn31 said: But isn't that exactly what you just did? No. I shot holes in one of the few teams he said played great defense. North Shore does not play great defense. So even his great defense examples are bad. Hence if only Katy is good at defense I'd say the charge that Texas is soft on defense is well-supported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 Just now, LOSer said: No. I shot holes in one of the few teams he said played great defense. North Shore does not play great defense. So even his great defense examples are bad. Hence if only Katy is good at defense I'd say the charge that Texas is soft on defense is well-supported. No you didn't pick a whole as you didn't provide how their defense compared to anyone else, instate or otherwise vs those SAME opponents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: No you didn't pick a whole as you didn't provide how their defense compared to anyone else That's not how you judge great defense. There is a standard. North Shore gave up 16 or more points in 9 of their 14 games. Not great defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 1 minute ago, LOSer said: That's not how you judge great defense. There is a standard. North Shore gave up 16 or more points in 9 of their 14 games. Not great defense. I said they have a GOOD defense, I didn't say anything about being GREAT, they didnt get into shootouts with teams. I'm making a comparison between NS and others. I stated the whole argument was silly as you aren't comparing teams to common opponents. I still stand by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 7 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: Sorry but STA is just not in the conversation for Top 5 maybe even Top 10. Here is their condensed resume. 1. No Top 100 wins 2. Multiple losses. bye STA 0 top 100 wins; 2 top 500 wins; 2-losses (#3; #198) DLS 1 top 100 win; 5 top wins; 1-loss (#19) not making a case FOR DLS, but think it's absurd to discuss STA in top 5, much less #1 and ironic canes has an issue with DLS in top 50 while defending STA in top 10 -- the fact that they have 40 D1 players is irrelevant -- you can only play 11 and what matters is what they did im OK having "recency" or "playoffs" influence the total resume, but you can't just say "well, that was a fluke, and so was that second loss, and these guys are so talented let's all ignore" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Pops said: STA 0 top 100 wins; 2 top 500 wins; 2-losses (#3; #198) DLSPop two months ago: "STA has zero top 500 wins" DLSPop today: "STA has zero top 100 wins" DLSPop next weeK: STA has zero top 50 wins" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 22 minutes ago, Pops said: DLS 1 top 100 win; 5 top wins; 1-loss (#19) not making a case FOR DLS, but think it's absurd to discuss STA in top 5 Freedom, for lack of a better word, is garbage. De La Salle beat two other garbage teams by 1-point. They beat 5-loss Antioch by 7. I know you're not "making a case for them" but why are you mentioning them at all? They are so far off the radar it's not funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, Pops said: much less #1 and ironic canes has an issue with DLS in top 50 while defending STA in top 10 Nobody said they should be #1. You're just making up things as you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, Pops said: ironic canes has an issue with DLS in top 50 while defending STA in top 10 I don't think a team that played a month of worth of football against 3 rejects and was only +7 is a top 50 team. We all know you think that beating up on garbage teams like Freedom wipes the slate clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 10 minutes ago, Pops said: the fact that they have 40 D1 players is irrelevant And it keeps getting better. "The fact you have a lot of very good players is irrelevant to how good you are!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 12 minutes ago, Pops said: you can only play 11 and what matters is what they did They have 11 running clock wins and two losses by one play that could've easily have been reversed either by the officials or even luck. Again you are welcome to be wrong on your evaluation. It's a regular Fall ritual for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 12 minutes ago, Pops said: im OK having "recency" or "playoffs" influence the total resume, but you can't just say "well, that was a fluke, and so was that second loss, and these guys are so talented let's all ignore" STA has performed like a top 10 team pretty much all season. Nobody has made a recency or playoff argument. They've been that good all along. The preseason polls had them #1 for a reason. If not for two unfathomable flukes you'd be whining about their next national championship. Just be happy that it didn't happen, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 11 minutes ago, LOSer said: Freedom, for lack of a better word, is garbage. De La Salle beat two other garbage teams by 1-point. They beat 5-loss Antioch by 7. I know you're not "making a case for them" but why are mentioning them at all? They are so far off the radar it's not funny. Their resume is very comparable to Sta's according noting for close wins over marginal teams right around the time STA was losing to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 15 minutes ago, LOSer said: DLSPop two months ago: "STA has zero top 500 wins" DLSPop today: "STA has zero top 100 wins" DLSPop next weeK: STA has zero top 50 wins" It would have been redundant to say 0 top 100 wins when you didn't have any top 500 ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Pops said: Their resume is very comparable to Sta's STA has zero 1-point, or 7-point wins. Their closest win was 26 points. What the hell are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, Pops said: noting for close wins over marginal teams right around the time STA was losing to them STA lost a fluke to a very capable opponent on the road. DLS beat three garbage teams by 7 or less. You are delusional, Pop. No doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 11 minutes ago, Pops said: It would have been redundant to say 0 top 100 wins when you didn't have any top 500 ones But two months ago you said they had zero top 500 wins. And now your critique is that they have zero top 100 wins. So basically they don't have those wins, until they do. And then you just adjust your criteria accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted December 5, 2016 Report Share Posted December 5, 2016 14 minutes ago, LOSer said: STA has performed like a top 10 team pretty much all season. Except for losing to a lower rated team with more losses than any DLS team since mid 80s as long as we can ignore flukes because, you know, how else to justify the result with 40 D1s i happen to think ratings/ rankings should be on results that occurred not SHOULD HAVE occurred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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