Georgia high school football coaches calling out the GHSA for allowing illegal recruiting

[HawgGoneIt]

10 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

The GHSA does not enforce bonafide moves as evident with the Grayson kid who went back to his prior home and has his picture took with Jim Harbaugh. 

I don't think Hines likes anybody in south Georgia.

What do you think the judge will rule on those Valdosta kids?

Is that judge running for reelection and lives locally he will rule in their favor.  

I doubt he rules against the GHSA. Ruling for Colquitt County people in Lowndes County probably ain't helping with his votes tbh. If they were actually Lowndes county/Valdosta people I may have to put a little more thought into it. They aren't though. 

The rules are the rules man. It ain't hard. If they aren't constitutional, it's going to take more than that Lowndes judge to toss em. Just saying. 

[HooverOutlaw]

5 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

I doubt he rules against the GHSA. Ruling for Colquitt County people in Lowndes County probably ain't helping with his votes tbh. If they were actually Lowndes county/Valdosta people I may have to put a little more thought into it. They aren't though. 

The rules are the rules man. It ain't hard. If they aren't constitutional, it's going to take more than that Lowndes judge to toss em. Just saying. 

It may hurt him locally. Those kids should have moved to Florida by now.  Are they wanting this judge to reinstate them?

[HooverOutlaw]

7 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

I doubt he rules against the GHSA. Ruling for Colquitt County people in Lowndes County probably ain't helping with his votes tbh. If they were actually Lowndes county/Valdosta people I may have to put a little more thought into it. They aren't though. 

The rules are the rules man. It ain't hard. If they aren't constitutional, it's going to take more than that Lowndes judge to toss em. Just saying. 

Problem is there are 2 sets of rules when dealing with the GHSA.

[HawgGoneIt]

The deal here is the student is claiming they have no recourse. Their recourse was upon making the decision to go to Valdosta and claim eligibility. The school is the entity with recourse. 

The family is suing the wrong entity. The parents may want to sue themselves, Rush or the Sanders for sucking them in, or the Valdosta athletic dept. for not making 1000% sure everything was on a level. 

This is just motion of the ocean and a waste of money. The lawyers are happy though. They getting paid. 

[Fred]

43 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

The GHSA does not enforce bonafide moves as evident with the Grayson kid who went back to his prior home and has his picture took with Jim Harbaugh. 

Sigh.  Once again you show your ignorance with Ga rules.  He was eligible until his dad took him back to Covington.  As soon as that happened he was no longer eligible for the *rest* of the year.  He wanted to run track in the spring.  He was denied.  He graduated at the end of the spring semester after having not participated in any GHSA sanctioned activities.  The rules in place worked.  You don't have to like it or agree with it but it is the rule and it was enforced.  You've been listening to Rab and 96 too much and it shows.

[HooverOutlaw]

20 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

The deal here is the student is claiming they have no recourse. Their recourse was upon making the decision to go to Valdosta and claim eligibility. The school is the entity with recourse. 

The family is suing the wrong entity. The parents may want to sue themselves, Rush or the Sanders for sucking them in, or the Valdosta athletic dept. for not making 1000% sure everything was on a level. 

This is just motion of the ocean and a waste of money. The lawyers are happy though. They getting paid. 

Who are the Sanders?

Goes back to the GHSA should be the first contact point not the schools who are in the education business not determining if somebody is legal under a separate organization rules. 

[Fred]

13 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Who are the Sanders?

Goes back to the GHSA should be the first contact point not the schools who are in the education business not determining if somebody is legal under a separate organization rules. 

The schools *are* the GHSA.  They are the members, decide on the rules, and they run the organization.  They hire a few administrative people to handle the day to day stuff.  If the majority of the schools want something to change, it will change.  Why is this so difficult for you to understand besides you not living in GA and not knowing as much about what goes on ere as you like to think?

[HooverOutlaw]

2 minutes ago, Fred said:

Sigh.  Once again you show your ignorance with Ga rules.  He was eligible until his dad took him back to Covington.  As soon as that happened he was no longer eligible for the *rest* of the year.  He wanted to run track in the spring.  He was denied.  He graduated at the end of the spring semester after having not participated in any GHSA sanctioned activities.  The rules in place worked.  You don't have to like it or agree with it but it is the rule and it was enforced.  You've been listening to Rab and 96 too much and it shows.

Tell me where that picture was taken? Be careful we know it was back Covington.  What about the staying at a school for a full calendar rule. Hawg knows about it.

Grayson controls the GHSA like the mob controlled vegas casinos in the 60s and 70s.  If a full investigation by the  federal government went into the GHSA the evidence would be shocking. It is similar to the way drug lords control these 3rd world countries governments. 

Remember this it was so bad the state nearly took it over till Gary Phillips quit.

https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/state-takeover-georgia-high-school-sports-proposed

Fred name me another state this has happened. Only Georgia.

More complaints 

http://www.charltoncountyherald.com/opinion/no-confidence-in-the-ga-high-school-association/article_3f676620-538b-11e8-986a-4bd0ce3de7cd.html

 

More problems 

https://www.dailycitizen.news/sports/local_sports/overhaul-of-athletic-association-slows-but-ghsa-remains-under-fire/article_19cf421d-1366-57bb-a9a3-0adb97cc93ca.html

[HawgGoneIt]

8 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Who are the Sanders?

Goes back to the GHSA should be the first contact point not the schools who are in the education business not determining if somebody is legal under a separate organization rules. 

Technically the member schools are the GHSA so the first contact was and is the GHSA. 

Of course in general we understand it's an honor system and the people involved aren't always honorable. 

The Sanders would be some of the parents that were the first ones to go to valdosta and then commence into allegedly recruiting the others to go. 

The parents are trusted to be on the up and up as are the schools. The only real problem with the GHSA rules is the policing of them. 

As you see from clowns like ga96, if a school (technically the GHSA remember?) Reports or does what is intended of the GHSA which is policing the rules, then they're crybabies.  If they don't and are on the other end of the spectrum they're cheaters. 

You're issue is with the Atlanta schools (again, technically the GHSA) who don't care to police the rules because they will do better at breaking them themselves next season.

Understand yet? 

The schools are the GHSA. The AD'S are the first officers/line of defense against recruiting and illegal transfers. Period. 

 

[HooverOutlaw]

Just now, Fred said:

The schools *are* the GHSA.  They are the members, decide on the rules, and they run the organization.  They hire a few administrative people to handle the day to day stuff.  If the majority of the schools want something to change, it will change.  Why is this so difficult for you to understand besides you not living in GA and not knowing as much about what goes on ere as you like to think?

If the schools are the GHSA why don't they govern themselves then? 

[Fred]

1 minute ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Tell me where that picture was taken? Be careful we know it was back Covington.  What about the staying at a school for a full calendar rule. Hawg knows about it.

Grayson controls the GHSA like the mob controlled vegas casinos in the 60s and 70s.  If a full investigation by the  federal government went into the GHSA the evidence would be shocking. It is similar to the way drug lords control these 3rd world countries governments. 

Remember this it was so bad the state nearly took it over till Gary Phillips quit.

https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/state-takeover-georgia-high-school-sports-proposed

Fred name me another state this has happened. Only Georgia.

More complaints 

http://www.charltoncountyherald.com/opinion/no-confidence-in-the-ga-high-school-association/article_3f676620-538b-11e8-986a-4bd0ce3de7cd.html

 

More problems 

https://www.dailycitizen.news/sports/local_sports/overhaul-of-athletic-association-slows-but-ghsa-remains-under-fire/article_19cf421d-1366-57bb-a9a3-0adb97cc93ca.html

I don't have to be careful about anything and don't know why you seem to think I should.  No one, literally no one denies it was taken in Covington.  The rules in place at the time as noted in the GHSA constitution were followed.  You yet again continue to display your lack of knowledge about GA and the GHSA and it is really pathetic.

That is really rich!  You posting complaints about the GHSA when the Alabama association just said they are going to fine schools for following public health mandates in the midst of the biggest pandemic in 100 years!!!  That really demonstrates both knowledge and care for those they are charged with protecting.  Something to be proud of for sure.  SMH!!!

[HooverOutlaw]

2 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

Technically the member schools are the GHSA so the first contact was and is the GHSA. 

Of course in general we understand it's an honor system and the people involved aren't always honorable. 

The Sanders would be some of the parents that were the first ones to go to valdosta and then commence into allegedly recruiting the others to go. 

The parents are trusted to be on the up and up as are the schools. The only real problem with the GHSA rules is the policing of them. 

As you see from clowns like ga96, if a school (technically the GHSA remember?) Reports or does what is intended of the GHSA which is policing the rules, then they're crybabies.  If they don't and are on the other end of the spectrum they're cheaters. 

You're issue is with the Atlanta schools (again, technically the GHSA) who don't care to police the rules because they will do better at breaking them themselves next season.

Understand yet? 

The schools are the GHSA. The AD'S are the first officers/line of defense against recruiting and illegal transfers. Period. 

 

Whose way is better contacting the school first or the local state associations?  I understand how Georgia does it but it is a dumba$$ way of doing it.  Read the article I posted about the kid in dual boundaries who left and went to Florida after a simple call to the AHSAA. But in Georgia it goes to the local school which opens the door for a Valdosta type mess. Is it a schools job to know other schools boundaries with changing city limits.

[HooverOutlaw]

1 minute ago, Fred said:

I don't have to be careful about anything and don't know why you seem to think I should.  No one, literally no one denies it was taken in Covington.  The rules in place at the time as noted in the GHSA constitution were followed.  You yet again continue to display your lack of knowledge about GA and the GHSA and it is really pathetic.

That is really rich!  You posting complaints about the GHSA when the Alabama association just said they are going to fine schools for following public health mandates in the midst of the biggest pandemic in 100 years!!!  That really demonstrates both knowledge and care for those they are charged with protecting.  Something to be proud of for sure.  SMH!!!

I disagree with the ahsaa on the covid fine.  But the point being the AHSAA rules with an iron fist evenly. They know where BB goals go for state title games they have never  nearly been taken over by the state government never had a state director fired. 

[Fred]

7 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

If the schools are the GHSA why don't they govern themselves then? 

 

1 minute ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Whose way is better contacting the school first or the local state associations?  I understand how Georgia does it but it is a dumba$$ way of doing it.  Read the article I posted about the kid in dual boundaries who left and went to Florida after a simple call to the AHSAA. But in Georgia it goes to the local school which opens the door for a Valdosta type mess. Is it a schools job to know other schools boundaries with changing city limits.

Good Lord man!  I've always given you credit for being smart but liking to bust our chops.  I'm now beginning to doubt myself for giving you that credit. 

Which part of the schools are the GHSA is it that is so difficult for you to understand?  Yes, it is indeed the school's responsibility to know the attendance boundaries.  The only schools impacted by changing city limits are those dozen or so city school systems.  All of the rest are county entities and are not impacted by city limits.  Even then, there could be agreements in place to address students in newly annexed sections of the city.  Schools around here know exactly where their boundaries are and by extension where the boundaries are for the schools surrounding them.  If they don't (but they do) it is readily available public information.

[Fred]

6 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

I disagree with the ahsaa on the covid fine.  But the point being the AHSAA rules with an iron fist evenly. They know where BB goals go for state title games they have never  nearly been taken over by the state government never had a state director fired. 

You are in favor of an organization that makes rules that contravene public health crisis regulations and against and organization that is not in your state and has no impact on you.  Talk about being obsessed!  SMH and that is really sad.

[HooverOutlaw]

5 minutes ago, Fred said:

I don't have to be careful about anything and don't know why you seem to think I should.  No one, literally no one denies it was taken in Covington.  The rules in place at the time as noted in the GHSA constitution were followed.  You yet again continue to display your lack of knowledge about GA and the GHSA and it is really pathetic.

That is really rich!  You posting complaints about the GHSA when the Alabama association just said they are going to fine schools for following public health mandates in the midst of the biggest pandemic in 100 years!!!  That really demonstrates both knowledge and care for those they are charged with protecting.  Something to be proud of for sure.  SMH!!!

Name me one situation where the GHSA is better than the AHSAA. 

Only the idiots at the GHSA cancel title games played indoors because of light snow. Alabama played in the same snow storm outdoors. The streets were fine teams already at the Benz. The hawks played the same day and a cheerleader competition was held the same day. 

Pictures of Alabama kids that lived playing in the snow.

Need any more examples? I got them. 

[Fred]

Just now, HooverOutlaw said:

Name me one situation where the GHSA is better than the AHSAA. 

Only the idiots at the GHSA cancel title games played indoors because of light snow. Alabama played in the same snow storm outdoors. The streets were fine teams already at the Benz. The hawks played the same day and a cheerleader competition was held the same day. 

Pictures of Alabama kids that lived playing in the snow.

Need any more examples? I got them.

I don't have to because I just don't care about what Alabama does.  If I wanted to care about what Alabama does then I'd move there but that's not going to happen.

But to humor you, the GHSA recognizes that Covid is a serious health issue.  The Alabama association choose to put lives at risk.  There is no comparison between the two and their concern for the child under their care.  Georgia wins hands down.

[HooverOutlaw]

3 minutes ago, Fred said:

I don't have to because I just don't care about what Alabama does.  If I wanted to care about what Alabama does then I'd move there but that's not going to happen.

But to humor you, the GHSA recognizes that Covid is a serious health issue.  The Alabama association choose to put lives at risk.  There is no comparison between the two and their concern for the child under their care.  Georgia wins hands down.

Our covid procedures worked much better than the GHSA. Yall delayed the season last year we did not.  The Ahsaa came up with  a plan early schools implemented it and had very few games canceled. Georgia had much shorter mask order than Alabama state wide. 

[HawgGoneIt]

I personally would rather have a clown like Ga96 call my school a crybaby than for us to just let the cheating and recruiting slide. We know our kids were recruited to USAA, and then subsequently Valdosta once USAA failed. They coulda went to USAA no problem but Dusty was a con man. They went to Valdosta instead and Rush was a dumbass. They got caught up in his recruiting fiasco and they lost eligibility and he lost his job. 

The court bullshit is just that. Bullshit. 

[HawgGoneIt]

34 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

If the schools are the GHSA why don't they govern themselves then? 

Some try. They get called crybabies. 

[HooverOutlaw]

Does the GHSA return revunue back to the schools like the AHSAA does?

This shows they did not.

In 2018-2019 the Ahsaa returned 1.7 million to the schools.

https://www.ahsaa.com/Media/AHSAANOW/News-Articles/central-board-approves-17-million-2019-20-revenue-payout-to-member-schools

 

Don't tell they are so mismanaged they can't make money and return it to the schools.

[Fred]

7 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Our covid procedures worked much better than the GHSA. Yall delayed the season last year we did not.  The Ahsaa came up with  a plan early schools implemented it and had very few games canceled. Georgia had much shorter mask order than Alabama state wide. 

You can't make that claim because you don't know that to be true.  It would take an room full of epidemiologists to try to ascertain if that is true and even then they may not be able to.  You have no figures on Covid infections as a comparison nor do you have any idea about Covid infections resulting from games and other interactions.  You don't get to just make a claim pulled out of thin air without proper documentation.  It doesn't work that way in the big boy world.

[Fred]

7 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Does the GHSA return revunue back to the schools like the AHSAA does?

This shows they did not.

In 2018-2019 the Ahsaa returned 1.7 million to the schools.

https://www.ahsaa.com/Media/AHSAANOW/News-Articles/central-board-approves-17-million-2019-20-revenue-payout-to-member-schools

 

Don't tell they are so mismanaged they can't make money and return it to the schools.

Your inability to formulate a logical argument based on the proper facts is really sad.  You show a pro forma budget summary for Georgia, show nothing for Alabama, and then claim Alabama wins.  Based on the data you've shown I can make the argument that the AHSAA overcharges their members and was forced to refund the difference.  You also don't show a base line costs of goods comparison to know the fundamental difference in similar items' costs in each market so you cannot tell if one is overcharging for any item.  It doesn't work that way in the real business world.  I sincerely hope you aren't responsible for anyone's finances other than your own because you are demonstrating a total lack of basic business principals.

[HooverOutlaw]

3 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

Some try. They get called crybabies. 

I don't know of any schools that have govern themselves 

[HooverOutlaw]

8 minutes ago, Fred said:

Your inability to formulate a logical argument based on the proper facts is really sad.  You show a pro forma budget summary for Georgia, show nothing for Alabama, and then claim Alabama wins.  Based on the data you've shown I can make the argument that the AHSAA overcharges their members and was forced to refund the difference.  You also don't show a base line costs of goods comparison to know the fundamental difference in similar items' costs in each market so you cannot tell if one is overcharging for any item.  It doesn't work that way in the real business world.  I sincerely hope you aren't responsible for anyone's finances other than your own because you are demonstrating a total lack of basic business principals.

Please show if the GHSA makes money. This shows they don't. Can you answer the question.