WILKINSON Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, RedZone said: So you are saying when CE Byrd (Shreveport) beat Longview in 2015 it was a "special". Longview is ranked #7 in the Texas Dynasty Ratings since 2003. 7 Longview (TX) Texas 5A-1 Region II District 7 5A-1 195-44 (196-43 on the field) 97-10 181-41 154-37 111-44 190-44 60.7 41.4 1741-108 You just keep coming up with new ways to prove you are an idiot. I don't understand any of this thread anymore.... By that logic, it's only fair that it be deemed a great win for CE Byrd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gametyme said: I really believe Temple can beat them. 7 returning starters on offense and 8 on defense 6 of those guys on defense will be entering year 3 starting. 3 transfers but 2 were previously from Temple and then a coaches kid likely will be QB. One of them has an Arkansas offer and plays DB the other Texas A&M really likes at WR but no offer yet. Then add in one of the top athletes in America in Harrison-Pilot. Its going to be close no doubt in my mind. Hmmm interesting. We’ll soon see 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, WILKINSON said: By that logic, it's only fair that it be deemed a great win for CE Byrd. It felt solid...I just didn't how solid. 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las Vegas_JC Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 38 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I have no problem with the loss to BG Finally 38 minutes ago, Horsefly said: but let’s not act as if CH was a team of the decade, it wasn’t one of their best teams. There are over 1,200 teams in Texas that play 11 man football. And Cedar Hill was the 5th best team in TX in 2016. That’s pretty damn good. Especially considering that they only lost to 6A champs DeSoto that year (x2). The same comparison applies to Westlake that year. Texas has 245 teams that play 6A football and Westlake was the 11th best team. Only losing to 6A champs Lake Travis that year (x2). 38 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Can we say the same for BG or were they a special team? Was ‘16 BG one of their best ever? If so, were they one of the best ever from NV? In hind sight yes this was a special team. The same kids from Gorman that beat CA state finalist Centennial as sophomores in 2014. Were the same kids that beat SJB, STA, Cedar Hill, Cocoa and Kahuku in 2016. 38 minutes ago, Horsefly said: once again if Ehlinger played we arent talking about liberty. They would not have stopped him. He was just as physical and big as the DV QB a few years back. Honest assessments need to be honest Hamstring injuries, broken bones, cuts and bruises it’s all part of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Las Vegas_JC said: Finally There are over 1,200 teams in Texas that play 11 man football. And Cedar Hill was the 5th best team in TX in 2016. That’s pretty damn good. Especially considering that they only lost to 6A champs DeSoto that year (x2). The same comparison applies to Westlake that year. Texas has 245 teams that play 6A football and Westlake was the 11th best team. Only losing to 6A champs Lake Travis that year (x2). In hind sight yes this was a special team. The same kids from Gorman that beat CA state finalist Centennial as sophomores in 2014. Were the same kids that beat SJB, STA, Cedar Hill, Cocoa and Kahuku in 2016. Hamstring injuries, broken bones, cuts and bruises it’s all part of the game. Of course it is and had it happened to Martell and they suffered a loss it most definitely would have been used as a reason for the loss. Why? It’s still relevant regardless of it being a part of the game the only place that doesn’t happen is on prepgridiron with OTHER team’s injuries. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just for the record Westlake is only 79-54 vs Top 1000 teams since 2003....while respectable, it's far from great honestly. Not sure some of you are looking at these rankings correctly. Katy is 227-23 vs Top 1000 teams as an example. Westlake is beating up on a lot of very bad football teams and going 79-54 vs Top 1000 teams. 11 Westlake (Austin, TX) Texas 6A Region IV District 26 6A 187-55 104-17 186-54 180-49 79-54 175-55 58 38.9 1734-1095 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Las Vegas_JC said: Finally There are over 1,200 teams in Texas that play 11 man football. And Cedar Hill was the 5th best team in TX in 2016. That’s pretty damn good. Especially considering that they only lost to 6A champs DeSoto that year (x2). The same comparison applies to Westlake that year. Texas has 245 teams that play 6A football and Westlake was the 11th best team. Only losing to 6A champs Lake Travis that year (x2). In hind sight yes this was a special team. The same kids from Gorman that beat CA state finalist Centennial as sophomores in 2014. Were the same kids that beat SJB, STA, Cedar Hill, Cocoa and Kahuku in 2016. Hamstring injuries, broken bones, cuts and bruises it’s all part of the game. Yes, this was the best BG team ever and the best ever from NV. It is what it is, no reason to be bashful about admitting it. Again, this is about honest assessment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las Vegas_JC Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Of course it is and had it happened to your QB in a loss it most definitely would have been used as a reason for the loss. Why? It’s still relevant regardless of it being a part of the game the only place that doesn’t happen is on prepgridiron with OTHER team’s injuries. 😂 Gorman limped through the early part of the 2016 season. With Biaggio Ali Walsh out for several games and with Tyjon Lindsay also out until before the STA game. Two big cogs for that offense out along with several other players getting banged up. They still won all of those big games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Las Vegas_JC said: Gorman limped through the early part of the 2016 season. With Biaggio Ali Walsh out for several games and with Tyjon Lindsay also out until before the STA game. Two big cogs for that offense out along with several other players getting banged up. They still won all of those big games. Dude stop, Lindsay was a transfer and never played before that season. And there is a difference between a RB and a QB who directs every play. Again, stop the nonsense, it’s only on this site where rationality goes out the window to prove a point. had martell been out the entire season, you don’t win the MNC. Probably lose to STA and SJB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las Vegas_JC Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Dude stop, Lindsay was a transfer and never played before that season. And there is a difference between a RB and a QB who directs every play. Again, stop the nonsense, it’s only on this site where rationality goes out the window to prove a point. had martell been out the entire season, you don’t win the MNC. Probably lose to STA and probably SJB Tyjon played versus Centennial in 2014. Along with Alex Perry, Haskell Garrett, Bubba Bolden, etc. All as Sophomores at Gorman. When you start to sling out the ifs, ands or buts in a discussion it just doesn’t look good on your part. Just be a good sport and congratulate Gorman and Liberty in their wins and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 15 hours ago, Gametyme said: Lee 3 losses #5 Lufkin #12 Longview and #52 Euless Trinity. Not one bad loss. Bragging about losses is not what #7 ranked teams in the country do. And those rankings were inflated. Calpreps has biases and was especially bad in the early days (2003-07). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 15 hours ago, Horsefly said: STA beating skyline is not a top 150 loss. It’s not a hard concept except for a goof trying to create a narrative, steele was 66th in Texas, jesuit was way out of the top 150. I think he's talking about from the Texas perspective. STA was a top 150 opponent and they lost. And so forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 15 hours ago, Horsefly said: Allen over viera, Utah East, ECA (2) Westlake over niceville skyline over ridgeway and cocoa Duncanville over ECA trinity over eastern Christian Desoto over eastern Christian Good grief. Guy doesn't want to count STA-Skyline at the Herbstreit but wants to count Allen vs. a collection of slapdicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 12 hours ago, SeaShells21 said: I believe @Atticus Finch would agree and inform you that Westlake wasn’t that great in 2016. Liberty 21 - Westlake 14 9/2 Lake Travis 49 - Westlake 7 10/7 Lake Travis 51 - Westlake 3 12/2 Certainly Westlake sucked as the loss Liberty can attest. But that's not the relevant question. The relevant question is where were they ranked and how did they perform in Texas. Their only two losses in Texas were to a 6A state champion (Lake Travis) and the objective measures had them in or near the top 10 (calpreps 11th, Massey 10th). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 11 hours ago, SeaShells21 said: ..but Westlake isn’t in there Yet Carthage, Gilmer and Celina are. 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 10 hours ago, RedZone said: Katy is 227-23 vs Top 1000 teams as an example. Wrong column again, my guy. Katy is 227-23 overall but 117-22 vs. the top 1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Good grief. Guy doesn't want to count STA-Skyline at the Herbstreit but wants to count Allen vs. a collection of slapdicks. Follow along closer, that’s not what I’m saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Horsefly said: Follow along dumbass, that’s not what I’m saying. That *is* what you're saying. It's pretty clear what criteria GardenStateClown is using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Atticus Finch said: That *is* what you're saying. It's pretty clear what criteria GardenStateClown is using. And it carries as much relevance as Trinity beating Eastern Christian. None! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Horsefly said: And it carries as much relevance as Trinity beating Eastern Christian. None! Then say that. Don't whine about one "mismatch" and then count another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Las Vegas_JC said: Tyjon played versus Centennial in 2014. Along with Alex Perry, Haskell Garrett, Bubba Bolden, etc. All as Sophomores at Gorman. When you start to sling out the ifs, ands or buts in a discussion it just doesn’t look good on your part. Just be a good sport and congratulate Gorman and Liberty in their wins and move on. He hadn’t played a snap in two years for BG, his impact wasn’t missed early in the ‘16 season All joking aside, hopefully NV can win another meaningful game so they don’t have to reminisce about beating non state champions WL and CH. until then, enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gametyme Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 54 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Bragging about losses is not what #7 ranked teams in the country do. And those rankings were inflated. Calpreps has biases and was especially bad in the early days (2003-07). 😄👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las Vegas_JC Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Horsefly said: He hadn’t played a snap in two years for BG, his impact wasn’t missed early in the ‘16 season Again you are either lying or are clueless about Tyjon’s playing time at Gorman. He was a big time play maker in high school. And he played varsity for three years at Gorman. 4 minutes ago, Horsefly said: All joking aside, hopefully NV can win another meaningful game so they don’t have to reminisce about beating non state champions WL and CH. until then, enjoy! The point is that Texas is viewed as the kings of HSFB. But little tiny Nevada with only 72 teams in all classes that play 11 man football kicked your butt!!! Maybe Texas will win a relevant OOS game one day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Las Vegas_JC said: Again you are either lying or are clueless about Tyjon’s playing time at Gorman. He was a big time play maker in high school. And he played varsity for three years at Gorman. The point is that Texas is viewed as the kings of HSFB. But little tiny Nevada with only 72 teams in all classes that play 11 man football kicked your butt!!! Maybe Texas will win a relevant OOS game one day? I was thinking on someone else, you’re correct on Lindsay 😂 yeah you kicked our butt, the stars aligned that year for you all for sure, a historic BG team and an untimely injury. The football gods were looking out for you all that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: Wrong column again, my guy. Katy is 227-23 overall but 117-22 vs. the top 1000. I really struggle with that column..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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