GardenStateBaller Posted July 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Horsefly said: So what! In 2010 they weren’t that strong of a team. 😂 I know, I know, The same goes for CH and Westlake in 2016, right? Smh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShells21 Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 38 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: I know, I know, The same goes for CH and Westlake in 2016, right? Smh. I believe @Atticus Finch would agree and inform you that Westlake wasn’t that great in 2016. Liberty 21 - Westlake 14 9/2 Lake Travis 49 - Westlake 7 10/7 Lake Travis 51 - Westlake 3 12/2 You would probably have a case if they didn’t get beat by the same Lake Travis team twice. 🙂 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 48 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: I know, I know, The same goes for CH and Westlake in 2016, right? Smh. They didn’t win state either, Ch was at least competitive, Westlake got boat raced by LT. WL didn’t have Ehlinger for most of the year either…major loss. Honest assessors understand things like that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted July 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, Horsefly said: They didn’t win state either, Ch was at least competitive, Westlake got boat raced by LT. WL didn’t have Ehlinger for most of the year either…major loss. Honest assessors understand things like that Excuses and TX don't mix. You know this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted July 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, SeaShells21 said: I believe @Atticus Finch would agree and inform you that Westlake wasn’t that great in 2016. Liberty 21 - Westlake 14 9/2 Lake Travis 49 - Westlake 7 10/7 Lake Travis 51 - Westlake 3 12/2 You would probably have a case if they didn’t get beat by the same Lake Travis team twice. 🙂 Westlake is still a Top 10, brand name in TX. 187-55 since 2003 proves this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Excuses and TX don't mix. You know this This is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard! Injuries to best players is relevant at ever level. Again, legit assessors understand this simple concept 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las Vegas_JC Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Westlake is still a Top 10, brand name in TX. 187-55 since 2003 proves this. Just now, Horsefly said: This is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever heard! Injuries to best players is relevant at ever level. Again, legit assessors understand this simple concept At the end of the 2016 season every poll had Cedar Hill as a top 5 Texas school. And Westlake was just outside of the top 10 in Texas. Yes injuries are a part of the game. If you played the game you know that you will get injured at one point or another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gametyme Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said: Skyline touts the following 12 ballers as notable NFL alums: Tim Jackson, Dante Jones, Allen Rossum, Antonio Wilson, Josh Bell, Mikail Baker, Mike Morgan, Steve Williams, Mike Davis, Corey Nelson, Pau Dawson and Aaron Brewer. No matter how you slice and dice it's also a Top 40 program in the history of TX HSFB thanks to its 157-60 record since 2003. I don't know about Skyline being top 40 all time. That's a stretch. They had one small run under Samples and that's it. 0 titles. Dallas Carter yes absolutely. Could they beat Skyline right now ? No they cant but Skyline has that much catching up to do. Tough sale honestly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, Las Vegas_JC said: At the end of the 2016 season every poll had Cedar Hill as a top 5 Texas school. And Westlake was just outside of the top 10 in Texas. Yes injuries are a part of the game. If you played the game you know that you will get injured at one point or another. I have no problem with the loss to BG, but let’s not act as if CH was a team of the decade, it wasn’t one of their best teams. Can we say the same for BG or were they a special team? Was ‘16 BG one of their best ever? If so, were they one of the best ever from NV? once again if Ehlinger played we arent talking about liberty. They would not have stopped him. He was just as physical and big as the DV QB a few years back. Honest assessments need to be honest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gametyme Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 3 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Much respect for those teams that laid the ground work for our great sport. Austin Reagan, Permian, Waco, Wichita Falls, Stratford, Plano, etc. But we're in the 21st Century now. What you do vs the likes of MD, IMG, BG, STA, SJP, etc. is now the modern-day barometer of success. I gotta push back here just a little. Just because you're not competing for a MNC doesn't mean you're not a successful HS program. Because at the end of the day you can only truly win your division or your title. We don't have a national playoff. Yeah I agree we can usually narrow it down to who might be the best but not always. The teams that are the IT school now may not be 25-30 years from now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gametyme Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Horsefly said: Look for Texas to go 1-1 vs top 150 teams. MD win over DV, and I think Bryant will sneak into top 150 but will lose to Longview Longview has a team. Going to come down to QB play but they might get Ryan week 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Gametyme said: Longview has a team. Going to come down to QB play but they might get Ryan week 1. Maybe, Ryan is no joke, although they lost the big DT they have other pieces. It’s going to be a good one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneNick Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Gametyme said: Just because you're not competing for a MNC doesn't mean you're not a successful HS program. Agree 100%. The MNC gets a lot of attention here on the national board but like I said yesterday, if we go undefeated and win state then the goal was met and we handled business. IMG and Frances are the only teams that begin the year with the goal of winning a MNC and that’s because they can’t win anything else. 1 minute ago, Gametyme said: The teams that are the IT school now may not be 25-30 years from now. MD won its second football MNC exactly 25 years ago 😉 But I agree with this one too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gametyme Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Horsefly said: Maybe, Ryan is no joke, although they lost the big DT they have other pieces. It’s going to be a good one Yeah them loosing Bear is what is making me lean Longview and I don't think Ryan has anybody for Jalen Hale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted July 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, Las Vegas_JC said: At the end of the 2016 season every poll had Cedar Hill as a top 5 Texas school. And Westlake was just outside of the top 10 in Texas. Yes injuries are a part of the game. If you played the game you know that you will get injured at one point or another. At the end of the 2016 season CH finished #5 in TX (and #36 in USA) and WL #11/85. Those are awesome final rankings in arguably the best HSFB state in America. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gametyme Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, HurricaneNick said: Agree 100%. The MNC gets a lot of attention here on the national board but like I said yesterday, if we go undefeated and win state then the goal was met and we handled business. IMG and Frances are the only teams that begin the year with the goal of winning a MNC and that’s because they can’t win anything else. MD won its second football MNC exactly 25 years ago 😉 But I agree with this one too. Did you see that link from an old paper I posted with the national polls from 1994. MD finished #1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShells21 Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Westlake is still a Top 10, brand name in TX. 187-55 since 2003 proves this. According to Maxpreps, Westlake is not even fortunate enough to be listed amongst the top 20 dynasties of Texas 🙂 2003 - 2019 Dynasty Records: Texas: Carroll (Southlake) (8x) State Champion 2019: 255 - 39 Vs. Top 1,000: 121 - 26 Dynasty National Rank: #4 Trinity (Euless) (3x) State Champion 2019: 227 - 42 Vs. Top 1,000: 106 - 29 Dynasty National Rank: #7 Katy (8x) State Champion 2019: 284 - 32 Vs. Top 1,000: 99 - 18 Dynasty National Rank: #5 Lake Travis (Austin) (6x) State Champion 2019: 221 - 63 Vs. Top 1,000: 78 - 20 Dynasty National Rank: #28 Allen (5x) State Champion 2019: 255 - 42 Vs. Top 1,000: 132 - 20 Dynasty National Rank: #3 Aledo (9x) State Champion 2019: 270 - 41 Vs. Top 1,000: 59 - 28 Dynasty National Rank: #25 Carthage (7x) State Champion 2019: 205 - 56 Dynasty National Rank: #115 Cedar Hill (3x) State Champion 2019: 179 - 85 Vs. Top 1,000: 90 - 43 Dynasty National Rank: #29 Longview (2x) State Champion 2019: 204 - 53 Vs. Top 1,000: 93 - 40 Dynasty National Rank: #20 Guyer (Denton) (2x) State Champion 2019: 132 - 55 Dynasty National Rank: #126 Gilmer (3x) State Champion 2019: 227 - 52 Dynasty National Rank: #86 Daingerfield (6x) State Champion 2019: 181 - 75 Dynasty National Rank: #947 Celina (8x) State Champion 2019: 262 - 44 Dynasty National Rank: #169 Abilene (7x) State Champion 2019: 193 - 80 Dynasty National Rank: #81 Mart (8x) State Champion 2019: 251 - 54 Dynasty National Rank: #667 Liberty Hill (2x) State Champion 2019: 196 - 81 Dynasty National Rank: #388 Wimberley (2x) State Champion 2019: 179 - 84 Dynasty National Rank: #876 Argyle (1x) State Champion 2019: 196 - 46 Dynasty National Rank: #203 Highland Park (Dallas) (6x) State Champion 2019: 253 - 31 Dynasty National Rank: #38 Steele (Cibolo) (1x) State Champion 2019: 154 - 37 Dynasty National Rank: #92 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gametyme said: Yeah them loosing Bear is what is making me lean Longview and I don't think Ryan has anybody for Jalen Hale. Probably not. If they can put pressure on the QB though, that helps. It’s gonna boil down to line play, can LV match them in the trenches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted July 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, SeaShells21 said: According to Maxpreps, Westlake is not even fortunate enough to be listed amongst the top 20 dynasties of Texas 🙂 2003 - 2019 Dynasty Records: Texas: Carroll (Southlake) (8x) State Champion 2019: 255 - 39 Vs. Top 1,000: 121 - 26 Dynasty National Rank: #4 Trinity (Euless) (3x) State Champion 2019: 227 - 42 Vs. Top 1,000: 106 - 29 Dynasty National Rank: #7 Katy (8x) State Champion 2019: 284 - 32 Vs. Top 1,000: 99 - 18 Dynasty National Rank: #5 Lake Travis (Austin) (6x) State Champion 2019: 221 - 63 Vs. Top 1,000: 78 - 20 Dynasty National Rank: #28 Allen (5x) State Champion 2019: 255 - 42 Vs. Top 1,000: 132 - 20 Dynasty National Rank: #3 Aledo (9x) State Champion 2019: 270 - 41 Vs. Top 1,000: 59 - 28 Dynasty National Rank: #25 Carthage (7x) State Champion 2019: 205 - 56 Dynasty National Rank: #115 Cedar Hill (3x) State Champion 2019: 179 - 85 Vs. Top 1,000: 90 - 43 Dynasty National Rank: #29 Longview (2x) State Champion 2019: 204 - 53 Vs. Top 1,000: 93 - 40 Dynasty National Rank: #20 Guyer (Denton) (2x) State Champion 2019: 132 - 55 Dynasty National Rank: #126 Gilmer (3x) State Champion 2019: 227 - 52 Dynasty National Rank: #86 Daingerfield (6x) State Champion 2019: 181 - 75 Dynasty National Rank: #947 Celina (8x) State Champion 2019: 262 - 44 Dynasty National Rank: #169 Abilene (7x) State Champion 2019: 193 - 80 Dynasty National Rank: #81 Mart (8x) State Champion 2019: 251 - 54 Dynasty National Rank: #667 Liberty Hill (2x) State Champion 2019: 196 - 81 Dynasty National Rank: #388 Wimberley (2x) State Champion 2019: 179 - 84 Dynasty National Rank: #876 Argyle (1x) State Champion 2019: 196 - 46 Dynasty National Rank: #203 Highland Park (Dallas) (6x) State Champion 2019: 253 - 31 Dynasty National Rank: #38 Steele (Cibolo) (1x) State Champion 2019: 154 - 37 Dynasty National Rank: #92 Ok, they're #11 in the dynasty rankings from 2003-2020. Off by 1 place. Excuuuuuuse me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gametyme Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Probably not. If they can put pressure on the QB though, that helps. It’s gonna boil down to line play, can LV match them in the trenches. I don't know good one. Longview has tough kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gametyme said: I don't know good one. Longview has tough kids. They do, it’s a game of the week for sure. what’s your prediction for temple vs WL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShells21 Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Ok, they're #11 in the dynasty rankings from 2003-2020. Off by 1 place. Excuuuuuuse me!! ..but Westlake isn’t in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GardenStateBaller Posted July 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 37 minutes ago, SeaShells21 said: ..but Westlake isn’t in there #11 in the best HSFB state in America is Top 5 anywhere else. Will always be deemed as a great win for Liberty NV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, GardenStateBaller said: Westlake is still a Top 10, brand name in TX. 187-55 since 2003 proves this. So you are saying when CE Byrd (Shreveport) beat Longview in 2015 it was a "special". Longview is ranked #7 in the Texas Dynasty Ratings since 2003. 7 Longview (TX) Texas 5A-1 Region II District 7 5A-1 195-44 (196-43 on the field) 97-10 181-41 154-37 111-44 190-44 60.7 41.4 1741-108 You just keep coming up with new ways to prove you are an idiot. I don't understand any of this thread anymore.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gametyme Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Horsefly said: They do, it’s a game of the week for sure. what’s your prediction for temple vs WL? I really believe Temple can beat them. 7 returning starters on offense and 8 on defense 6 of those guys on defense will be entering year 3 starting. 3 transfers but 2 were previously from Temple and then a coaches kid likely will be QB. One of them has an Arkansas offer and plays DB the other Texas A&M really likes at WR but no offer yet. Then add in one of the top athletes in America in Harrison-Pilot. Its going to be close no doubt in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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