thc6795 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 I don't think it is fair to compare. I don't think James would have the longevity playing when Jordan played. His body would not have lasted. They let you get beat the hell up back then. I also think that the way you cant touch a player today Jordan would have been stoppable, he might have averaged 40 ppg Don't forget abt the 30 for 30 tonight. Lakers/Celtics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, thc6795 said: I don't think it is fair to compare. I don't think James would have the longevity playing when Jordan played. His body would not have lasted. They let you get beat the hell up back then. I also think that the way you cant touch a player today Jordan would have been stoppable, he might have averaged 40 ppg Don't forget abt the 30 for 30 tonight. Lakers/Celtics. I think people seem to exaggerate the past(Especially the time you grow up in). The 90's was the worst brand of basketball in NBA modern history. Iso basketball, where guys had to play one on one or double hard. There was no guy allowed to roam around and defend the lane. Actually watch games from the past, and don't go by what people now a days are saying about the games of the past. It's not physical at all. Please don't bring up Laimbeer, cause that's similar to bringing up a single player from now a days. There was touch fouls everywhere in the 90's, there was just no internet forums during that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Physical basketball was actually really played in the 70's. The 80's and 90's averaged the same amount of fouls as we do currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 28 minutes ago, steeler01 said: Everything leaves a legacy to reasonable people, not fan boys But you are the one who pointed out the number of HOF's they faced in the finals. You didn't say who faced more HOF's on opening night or game 57 of he regular season. Because no one cares! It's what you do in the big games is the point and the goal. Ask any NBA player and I bet their goal is to win an MBA title...it's what matters most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 Just now, steeler01 said: Physical basketball was actually really played in the 70's. The 80's and 90's averaged the same amount of fouls as we do currently. Watch the 30440 tonight and tell me they were not physical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, thc6795 said: Watch the 30440 tonight and tell me they were not physical I've watched the actual games. This physical stuff is created by older people of that generation. Similar to music. How many people in their 30's and 40's thought NWA was great music in the 80's? You would of heard, this is crappy music, in my time music meant something yada yada yada, but now it's glorified and the music of now stinks. It's a cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Cossacks said: But you are the one who pointed out the number of HOF's they faced in the finals. You didn't say who faced more HOF's on opening night or game 57 of he regular season. Because no one cares! It's what you do in the big games is the point and the goal. Ask any NBA player and I bet their goal is to win an MBA title...it's what matters most. I bring it up to bring context into discussions.Saying one is 6-0 and the other is 3-5 without digging deeper is lazy. Bron just averaged a triple double and they lost. What more could he have done? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted June 13, 2017 Report Share Posted June 13, 2017 37 minutes ago, steeler01 said: I bring it up to bring context into discussions.Saying one is 6-0 and the other is 3-5 without digging deeper is lazy. Bron just averaged a triple double and they lost. What more could he have done? You could dig deeper and deeper or I could and it would support your view or my view, it's all subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalRuss Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 There were some very physical teams Steeler. Knicks and Pistons style couldn't happen nowadays. I watched every game in that era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 25 minutes ago, NorCalRuss said: There were some very physical teams Steeler. Knicks and Pistons style couldn't happen nowadays. I watched every game in that era. Dude the bucks and the bullets back then or the Andrew Tony 76ers man I watched ball wen it was tape delayed after the news. The holding the grabbing then hand checking. Not physical back then my ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 46 minutes ago, NorCalRuss said: There were some very physical teams Steeler. Knicks and Pistons style couldn't happen nowadays. I watched every game in that era. Those teams weren't physical defensively, the difference is what is considered a flagrant now and back then. Which is mistaken for physical. The 70s was tough physical defense nothing afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 37 minutes ago, thc6795 said: Dude the bucks and the bullets back then or the Andrew Tony 76ers man I watched ball wen it was tape delayed after the news. The holding the grabbing then hand checking. Not physical back then my ass The hand checking was barely allowed. Go watch a 70s game and then an 80s game. Night and day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 30 minutes ago, steeler01 said: The hand checking was barely allowed. Go watch a 70s game and then an 80s game. Night and day 1978-79 • Number of referees officiating game increased from two to three. • Rolling the ball on the floor from out of bounds now allowed; penalty of loss of possession eliminated. • Technical foul imposed on team instead of warning for first illegal defense and two technical fouls imposed for second and all subsequent violations. Illegal defense rules modified. • Clarification added instructing players and coaches to proceed directly to dressing rooms, without pause or delay, following halftime. Previous rule only stated at conclusion of game. • Clarification added to prohibit hand-checking through “rigid enforcement” of rule allowing a defensive player to retain contact with his opponent so long as he does not impede his opponent’s progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 The teams of today would smoke the teams of the past IMO. The skill and talent in today's game is at another level. Doesn't mean I like the sport better now, in fact lately, it's bores the hell out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 2 hours ago, steeler01 said: The hand checking was barely allowed. Go watch a 70s game and then an 80s game. Night and day Imo the 80s and 90s were much more physical esp. in playoffs. It was expected that you are getting hit if you go for a layup. These last playoff games I lost count of the layups. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 37 minutes ago, World Citizen said: Imo the 80s and 90s were much more physical esp. in playoffs. It was expected that you are getting hit if you go for a layup. These last playoff games I lost count of the layups. That's the myth that people that grew up in the 80's and 90's want people to believe. That's not reality though. You wouldn't have Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Jordan etc driving in and having those highlights if it was reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletrain06 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 Game 5 was just a shitshow to watch with the fouls. It was insane. How many times do they call a foul when hands just brushed against each other. Or how about the Bullshit calls where Curry or Durant or others are jumping completely to the side into defenders just to get free throws. Completely embarrassing. Pretending the 80's 90s defense wasn't far more physical is a fantasy. Was just watching old games with the Knicks and Pistons on youtube and thought the defensive difference was night and day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 14 hours ago, thc6795 said: God seriously Steeler? Have you looked at this list they are calling hall of famers? The first 20 they are calling locks? Seriously? GTFOH. Ill give you 1,2,7?, 37,15,16. Butler, Jefferson,Horford Lewis Davis West OMG get out of here with this shit. Chauncey Billups Paul Pierce Kevin Garnett Ray Allen Caron Butler Vince Carter Jason Kidd Richard Jefferson Al Horford Joe Johnson Dwight Howard Rishard Lewis Andre Iguodala Jermaine O’Neal Shaquille O’Neal Carmelo Anthony Baron Davis David West Paul Milsap Pau Gasol Potential Hall of Famers: 21. Ben Wallace 22. Rasheed Wallace 23. Richard Hamilton 24. Tayshaun Prince 25. Rajon Rondo 26. Carlos Boozer 27. Antawn Jamison 28. Marcin Gortat 29. Derrick Rose 30. Jimmy Butler 31. Tyson Chandler 32. Amar’e Stoudemire 33. Paul George 34. Kemba Walker 35. Brook Lopez 36. Isaiah Thomas 37. Kyle Lowry 38. DeMar DeRozan 39. Serge Ibaka 40. John Wall (If Washington Wins) 41. Avery Bradley Notable Players: Andre Drummond, JJ Reddick, Jeff Teague< Dennis Schroder, Monta Ellis, Shaun Livingston, P.J Brown, Mike Bibby, Josh Smith, Rafer Alston, Carlos Boozer, Gilbert Arenas, Kyle Korver, Danny Granger, Leandro barbosa, George Hill, Myles Turner, Antonio McDyess… Rajon Rondo is going to the Hall of Fame playa. Amar'e Stoudemire is a lock. Rasheed Wallace is a lock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 14 hours ago, steeler01 said: Duncan 3x Parker 3x Kawhi 2x Ginoboli 3x Harden Durant 2x Westbrook Nowitzski Kidd Steph 3x Klay 3x Draymond 3x It's 26. Jordan faced a ton of teams with one or two hall of famers at most on teams to reach the finals. The best teams Jordan faced to reach the finals the Knicks had one HOF(The Magic had 1 and Penny should be a HOF with 2. The Bulls with 2 HOF lost to the Magic then picked up another HOF in Rodman in 96 and beat the Magic). James faced the Celtics with 3 HOF, the Magic, the Pistons, the Bulls, the Pacers(Similar to the Knicks of the 90's at the very least) Thomas Ewing Alonzo Mourning Shaq Reggie Miller Dumars Rodman Rondo is going to the HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 6 hours ago, Coletrain06 said: Game 5 was just a shitshow to watch with the fouls. It was insane. How many times do they call a foul when hands just brushed against each other. Or how about the Bullshit calls where Curry or Durant or others are jumping completely to the side into defenders just to get free throws. Completely embarrassing. Pretending the 80's 90s defense wasn't far more physical is a fantasy. Was just watching old games with the Knicks and Pistons on youtube and thought the defensive difference was night and day. Game 5 was one the best championship games I've seen in a while. Curry got the one call. Durant was just a baseline out of bounds. Also there is no way that Jimmy Butler or Rashad Lewis, Baron Davis and many others on that list are HOF before Rajon Rondo. Once playoffs start Rondo becomes a top 5 player in the league and those are facts. I'll throw a rock at anyone who disagrees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 50 minutes ago, nptb17 said: Rajon Rondo is going to the Hall of Fame playa. Amar'e Stoudemire is a lock. Rasheed Wallace is a lock. Bro this is not my list. I copied it from the article that said James had played against more hall of famers than MJ did. I think this list is a joke for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 20 hours ago, Sportsnut said: You remember Bill Lambier or Rick MaHorne? Yes. They were good ball players. And Edwards was decent. You just can't replace that big presence in the middle. Do you really think LameBron would have walked in for 6 or 7 straight uncontested lay-ups towards the end of game 5 if there was a "presence" in the paint? Hell no. Because Laimbeer or Mahorn (and about 50 other dominant centers) would have sent him flying in the other direction. He might get them in foul trouble. Then again he might end up with a broken leg, ankle, or wrist from the fall he was going to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 11 hours ago, steeler01 said: That's the myth that people that grew up in the 80's and 90's want people to believe. That's not reality though. You wouldn't have Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Jordan etc driving in and having those highlights if it was reality Myth? I don't have an agenda in wanting people to believe anything. Its just what I saw. It was officiated different. Defense and lower scoring games. You can have Jordan highlights and make people driving the lane pay a price at the same time. Not exclusive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 3 hours ago, nptb17 said: Game 5 was one the best championship games I've seen in a while. Curry got the one call. Durant was just a baseline out of bounds. Also there is no way that Jimmy Butler or Rashad Lewis, Baron Davis and many others on that list are HOF before Rajon Rondo. Once playoffs start Rondo becomes a top 5 player in the league and those are facts. I'll throw a rock at anyone who disagrees. Lol @ throwing a rock. Classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted June 14, 2017 Report Share Posted June 14, 2017 1 hour ago, World Citizen said: Myth? I don't have an agenda in wanting people to believe anything. Its just what I saw. It was officiated different. Defense and lower scoring games. You can have Jordan highlights and make people driving the lane pay a price at the same time. Not exclusive. Dude they only had 2 refs back then and no instant replay. Today your free to run anywhere you wanted. Lets put Glove Payton with his hand checking on Curry and see how many he scores a game. Or Billups or Jordan or Pippen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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