georgiagator1 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Columbiafan said: UCF would get a better deal just playing 2 years at UF than that crap deal They wouldnt do it. They want home and home because they think they are an upper tier program like a P5. They are not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiagator1 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, FootballGuy said: They were looking for a fair deal. Mckenzie Milton was correct when he said that they were the better program at the time (better than florida), so what makes the Florida AD think that UCF doesn't deserve a home game in this whole ordeal? Even BAMA does home/home deals with lesser teams from power 5 conferences (teams that I'm pretty sure UCF woulda/would beat), so why can't they get a home game in return? The same reason no other high profile P5 team would do it. There is no upside for UF (who IS a high profile P5) at all. UF doesnt need UCF. UCF does need UF and other high profile P5 programs to build their program.Thats just how it is.UF will only travel for benefit, because they can. UF has future HaH games with Colorado, Arizona St, Cal, NC State, Texas, Utah. All of those are not bluebloods, but they are P5 teams. USF is as established as UCF, UF has games scheduled with them, but no home and home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, georgiagator1 said: They wouldnt do it. They want home and home because they think they are an upper tier program like a P5. They are not. Wasn't USF offered a deal 2 years at UF, one at Tampa? If so why could that offer be given but not to UCF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Wasn't USF offered a deal 2 years at UF, one at Tampa? If so why could that offer be given but not to UCF? Question of the century right here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiagator1 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Columbiafan said: There are loads of P5 teams who are among the worst teams in the country, it's not always a sign of who the best team or program is, it's usually who fit a geographic need decades ago and the people in charge of these conferences are greedy money hounds who don't want to share the pie No conference wants the expand as they are all content with the teams they have which is why I would like to see a system similar to what I drew up (with the help of @ngdawg since my spreadsheets looked like puke) where we see an expansion to the playoffs which still give the P5 teams the clear advantage but allows a team who comes out of nowhere like UCF to actually get their chance They may get blown off the field but at least they had an opportunity to make themselves into legends That's how you build programs up and build future powerhouses in the eyes of the fans in the first place Sure thats the thinking right now. The Big 12 has expaned once, the Pac 12 once, the Big 10 twice and the SEC twice, and the ACC once. Whos to say it wont happen again. I think it will, just not to soon. And we will just have to agree to disagree. No program should get a playoff spot EVER playing the schedule UCF plays. If they had taken the UF deal, beat them on the road and went undefeated maybe they some consideration. They need to be doing that now for a few years. No freebies just to "give the little guy" a chance. My opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, georgiagator1 said: The same reason no other high profile P5 team would do it. There is no upside for UF (who IS a high profile P5) at all. UF doesnt need UCF. UCF does need UF and other high profile P5 programs to build their program.Thats just how it is.UF will only travel for benefit, because they can. UF has future HaH games with Colorado, Arizona St, Cal, NC State, Texas, Utah. All of those are not bluebloods, but they are P5 teams. USF is as established as UCF, UF has games scheduled with them, but no home and home. Idk bout this one, chief.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, FootballGuy said: Question of the century right here. If UCF turned that down then yes they are idiots but if the third game is at camping world and not UCF then I don't blame them for turning it down as they wouldn't actually get a home gate from it because camping world would charge UCF a rental fee then split the gate with UF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, FootballGuy said: Idk bout this one, chief.... Historically they are but that's because USF has a head start Recently though UCF has been a better program as USF seems to be falling off a cliff lately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, georgiagator1 said: Sure thats the thinking right now. The Big 12 has expaned once, the Pac 12 once, the Big 10 twice and the SEC twice, and the ACC once. Whos to say it wont happen again. I think it will, just not to soon. And we will just have to agree to disagree. No program should get a playoff spot EVER playing the schedule UCF plays. If they had taken the UF deal, beat them on the road and went undefeated maybe they some consideration. They need to be doing that now for a few years. No freebies just to "give the little guy" a chance. My opinion. Even if they had beaten Florida by 30 points on the road and went undefeated they wouldn't have gotten in over bama The playoff selection committee picks the teams that make the most money, not the best teams That's why Notre Dame got in and got killed by Clemson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiagator1 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 53 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Wasn't USF offered a deal 2 years at UF, one at Tampa? If so why could that offer be given but not to UCF? @FootballGuy https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/florida-football/obtained-emails-show-florida-ucf-did-discuss-series-ucf-ad-refused-2-for-1-offer/ “UF isn’t in the market for home-and-home or a neutral site games against non-Autonomy 5 opponents,” Stricklin wrote. “However, we would be open to a series similar to what we’ve agreed to with USF … two games in Gainesville and one in Orlando. We are in need of a home opener for the 2022 season, so the 9/3/2022 date you mention would be a perfect date to begin the series, and we can fill in the remaining games from there.” White didn’t appreciate the reference to “non-Autonomy 5 opponents” and quickly changed his tactic to soliciting Stricklin’s help to change a “broken” system. Yall dont get it. They did. The UCF AD wants an "equitable" home and home. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: If UCF turned that down then yes they are idiots but if the third game is at camping world and not UCF then I don't blame them for turning it down as they wouldn't actually get a home gate from it because camping world would charge UCF a rental fee then split the gate with UF I'm with ya. It's a raw deal for UCF. Doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Historically they are but that's because USF has a head start Recently though UCF has been a better program as USF seems to be falling off a cliff lately Yeah that's what I meant. Recently, UCF has passed by USF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, georgiagator1 said: Sure thats the thinking right now. The Big 12 has expaned once, the Pac 12 once, the Big 10 twice and the SEC twice, and the ACC once. Whos to say it wont happen again. I think it will, just not to soon. And we will just have to agree to disagree. No program should get a playoff spot EVER playing the schedule UCF plays. If they had taken the UF deal, beat them on the road and went undefeated maybe they some consideration. They need to be doing that now for a few years. No freebies just to "give the little guy" a chance. My opinion. How is it a freebie for a team going undefeated? There are teams with much worse schedules than UCF who can't even come close to going undefeated, regardless of the competition level it surely isn't easy to go undefeated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiagator1 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 49 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: If UCF turned that down then yes they are idiots but if the third game is at camping world and not UCF then I don't blame them for turning it down as they wouldn't actually get a home gate from it because camping world would charge UCF a rental fee then split the gate with UF Their home stadium barely holds 45,000 people. Thats laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, georgiagator1 said: @FootballGuy https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/florida-football/obtained-emails-show-florida-ucf-did-discuss-series-ucf-ad-refused-2-for-1-offer/ “UF isn’t in the market for home-and-home or a neutral site games against non-Autonomy 5 opponents,” Stricklin wrote. “However, we would be open to a series similar to what we’ve agreed to with USF … two games in Gainesville and one in Orlando. We are in need of a home opener for the 2022 season, so the 9/3/2022 date you mention would be a perfect date to begin the series, and we can fill in the remaining games from there.” White didn’t appreciate the reference to “non-Autonomy 5 opponents” and quickly changed his tactic to soliciting Stricklin’s help to change a “broken” system. Yall dont get it. They did. The UCF AD wants an "equitable" home and home. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BECAUSE THE DEAL DIDN'T MAKE SENSE!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiagator1 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 46 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: How is it a freebie for a team going undefeated? There are teams with much worse schedules than UCF who can't even come close to going undefeated, regardless of the competition level it surely isn't easy to go undefeated If I have to explain the difference between UCF undefeated schedule and a one loss SEC or Big Ten schedule is there is no point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, georgiagator1 said: @FootballGuy https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/florida-football/obtained-emails-show-florida-ucf-did-discuss-series-ucf-ad-refused-2-for-1-offer/ “UF isn’t in the market for home-and-home or a neutral site games against non-Autonomy 5 opponents,” Stricklin wrote. “However, we would be open to a series similar to what we’ve agreed to with USF … two games in Gainesville and one in Orlando. We are in need of a home opener for the 2022 season, so the 9/3/2022 date you mention would be a perfect date to begin the series, and we can fill in the remaining games from there.” White didn’t appreciate the reference to “non-Autonomy 5 opponents” and quickly changed his tactic to soliciting Stricklin’s help to change a “broken” system. Yall dont get it. They did. The UCF AD wants an "equitable" home and home. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. But again isn't USF game actually at their home Stadium UCF wasn't offered that, they were offered their "home game" at camping world stadium which would mean like I've said several times in this thread that they would have to pay a rental fee for the stadium and then the stadium would automatically split the gate with UF UCF wouldn't get a single home gate in 3 games, USF offer was much better than what UCF got Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiagator1 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 44 minutes ago, FootballGuy said: BECAUSE THE DEAL DIDN'T MAKE SENSE!!!!!! Its the same deal USF took. That YOU just brought up. They want a true home and home and it will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiagator1 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 44 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: But again isn't USF game actually at their home Stadium UCF wasn't offered that, they were offered their "home game" at camping world stadium which would mean like I've said several times in this thread that they would have to pay a rental fee for the stadium and then the stadium would automatically split the gate with UF UCF wouldn't get a single home gate in 3 games, USF offer was much better than what UCF got They would make more money than a home game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, georgiagator1 said: If I have to explain the difference between UCF undefeated schedule and a one loss SEC or Big Ten schedule is there is no point. No I get that I'm just not diminishing how hard it is to go undefeated If it was so easy we would see a group of 5 team do it every season but we don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 Just now, georgiagator1 said: They would make more money than a home game. Not if they have to split the gate with UF at a neutral site and then pay a rental fee In a home gate the home team can keep everything, in a neutral site the gate is split Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, georgiagator1 said: Its the same deal USF took. That YOU just brought up. They want a true home and home and it will never happen. USF gets a home game out of a deal, not a neutral site in the same city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiagator1 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 @FootballGuy @Columbiafan "Stricklin’s response is pending, but it will be interesting to see if White continues this stance with other programs similar to Florida, or if another Power 5 school finally gives the Knights a chance with a scheduling commitment." Has anyone yet? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, georgiagator1 said: Their home stadium barely holds 45,000 people. Thats laughable. UF ain't gonna get many seats anyway, what do road teams generally get? 5k seats? 10k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgiagator1 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 45 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: No I get that I'm just not diminishing how hard it is to go undefeated If it was so easy we would see a group of 5 team do it every season but we don't Because in general they are not that good. You cant reward those schedules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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