DBP66 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 ^^ the Twitter King strikes again...the embarrassment GROWS.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Bormio said: So .... I was not saying Italy was richer. They so far have not had Islamists murdering their citizens. And I am tired of hearing how great the Germans are. The EU grew out of a need to tie Germany up and keep it from trying to conquer and annihilate its neighbors, as it did twice in the last 100 years. My comment is that if you are looking for another country to live in that Italy is not among a first, second or third choice. Other countries have higher employment, better wages and more substantial social welfare. All of this despite Italy being the first country that most land on when crossing the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 19 minutes ago, BigDrop said: Facts: 1. Average monthly wages in Germany are approximately E3700 vs E 2150 for Italy. https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/wages 2. Unemployment for males is over 11% in Italy and a bit over 4% in Germany. 3. Medical, unemployment and other socialist programs are stronger in other European countries. 4. Christianity in Italy is approximately 80% of the population while in Germany it is 60%. and France it is 66%. WTF does hat have to do with the relative lack of terrorist activity there vs. countries that are open to Islamic immigration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Point from this thread is that even when Trump outright lies (what he claims the London mayor said) that his supporters will pay no attention to it. It is now no longer about jobs, taxes, a wall or anything else. It is the cult of Trump and the belief that his racist rants are what one should support. That is the bottom line: for many Trump is only about racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, BigDrop said: Point from this thread is that even when Trump outright lies (what he claims the London mayor said) that his supporters will pay no attention to it. It is now no longer about jobs, taxes, a wall or anything else. It is the cult of Trump and the belief that his racist rants are what one should support. That is the bottom line: for many Trump is only about racism. Point is apparently that you are frigging clueless. You would rather wet yourself ranting about a tweet than address a mayor who can't say "Islamic terror". What racism are you talking about? "Muslim" is not a race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Just now, concha said: WTF does hat have to do with the relative lack of terrorist activity there vs. countries that are open to Islamic immigration? The Italians fear that they are next. That is what caused the stampede in Turin. There is very real fear throughout Europe and the UK. I am guessing that Italy does not have the "colonies" such as other European and UK cities do of immigrants or, at the least, they are much smaller. A lot of the terrorism is homegrown from people who are totally disenfranchised. Anyway, I now understand that whatever I say is not going to be heard. As Trump can walk down the street and shoot someone-and nothing happen-so can he lie and his followers will believe anything he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 29 minutes ago, aZjimbo said: Get a fucking life georgie. Really. Just call the bitch out he will block you like the fucking coward he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Just now, BigDrop said: The Italians fear that they are next. That is what caused the stampede in Turin. There is very real fear throughout Europe and the UK. I am guessing that Italy does not have the "colonies" such as other European and UK cities do of immigrants or, at the least, they are much smaller. A lot of the terrorism is homegrown from people who are totally disenfranchised. Anyway, I now understand that whatever I say is not going to be heard. As Trump can walk down the street and shoot someone-and nothing happen-so can he lie and his followers will believe anything he says. Homegrown? Holy shit are you fucked in the head. For someone who has traveled Europe as much as you claim, you really need to buy a clue. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 minute ago, concha said: Point is apparently that you are frigging clueless. You would rather wet yourself ranting about a tweet than address a mayor who can't say "Islamic terror". What racism are you talking about? "Muslim" is not a race. I don't like burkas and react to them as probably anyone on this board. But I have no problem if someone is a Muslim and when they move here they BECOME PART OF OUR CULTURE. (Means no burkas and women are equal to men.) As long as they do and are ethically responsible I do not care what their religion is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, DBP66 said: ..entire existence?!?....LOL...exaggerate much?...yea, it was a big nerve!...you can insert your Paramus Catholic head back in the sand now.... Too bad you can't be stuffed up the ass you came from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, BigDrop said: Point from this thread is that even when Trump outright lies (what he claims the London mayor said) that his supporters will pay no attention to it. It is now no longer about jobs, taxes, a wall or anything else. It is the cult of Trump and the belief that his racist rants are what one should support. That is the bottom line: for many Trump is only about racism. Well at least we aren't talking abt the world ending today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 concha, is turning into a bigger pile of shit than, King Orange. Bully that, tough guy. Babbling idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Just now, TheRealCAJ said: concha, is turning into a bigger pile of shit than, King Orange. Bully that, tough guy. Babbling idiot. Says the biggest pile of shit on the board 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, concha said: Homegrown? Holy shit are you fucked in the head. For someone who has traveled Europe as much as you claim, you really need to buy a clue. . Most of the terrorism is homegrown meaning ISIS sympathizers who grew up in the country they attacked. Many if not most of them, were alienated from that country despite having lived there for so long. Same would be true about the Orlando shooter and the California couple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, BigDrop said: I don't like burkas and react to them as probably anyone on this board. But I have no problem if someone is a Muslim and when they move here they BECOME PART OF OUR CULTURE. (Means no burkas and women are equal to men.) As long as they do and are ethically responsible I do not care what their religion is. Nor do I. But that does not mean I support being consciously blind to the fact that terrorists tend to be Muslim and tend to come from certain places and therefore showing more care with regard to people coming from those places is simple common sense. Also, foreigners do not have a right to come here, and many on the left act like they do. One of the great problems in Europe is that they have relatively larger Muslim populations with significant populations who show little to no desire to assimilate. We here have a bit of a similar problem with Somalis in Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 They are alienated because they choose to be, not because the US, the U.K., France etc have been unwelcoming. It is much harder to become a citizen in Italy, and if noncitizens are thought to be a problem - they deport them. May be one reason they have less of a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 2 hours ago, concha said: That is one of the most stupid statements. Don't know how anybody thinks like that. Or dishonest. I officially reject that bs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 I honestly didnt know people actually supported Trump. He was just a way to break the norm, and the lesser of 2 evils between he and Hillary. Trump is a straight up liar and is 100% clueless about how to run a country. I know a few people believe it qualifies him simply because hes am extremely shady billionaire. How anybody can think hes actually good for the country I dont know. Hes just less bad for the country than Hillary wouldve been. If you actually support Trump, you support the moral breakdown of America with lies and cluelessness. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 concha and bormio sound just like those blonde, over the hill porn stars trump hired as surrogates. A real disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Trumps words and actions are 2 conflicting ideals, Ill say that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 hour ago, HawgGoneIt said: Of course we all understand that there is a sect of Islam that is extremist and wishes to do harm. How to maneuver inside the framework of the constitution isn't that complicated really. Firstly, you can't ban "Muslims" although you can ban Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis etc. If you are wanting to ban Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis and etc., do not use the Trump playbook of non-political correctness, which basically is the exact way to not do the things he is trying to do. Likely the ACLU and others would try to get injunctions etc., either way, but, the supreme court would have a lot less to wrestle with if we never called it a "Muslim" ban. The supreme court has overturned cases where political tests and country of descent was cited as a reason for halting certain deportations or bans of immigrants. This one involves these same countries of descent and political. Call them international terrorists, political terrorists or whatever. Then create an EO establishing the ban and deportations etc. Trump should have stuck to the Reagan playbook, which is what this is, rather than venturing off course and calling them religious terrorists basically. Reagan called them international terrorists and pretty much won every time he was challenged, even though at least once it had to be affirmed by the SCOTUS. The court has to apply the rational basis test, which has to prove that there is legitimate government purpose (which there is no doubt and no argument from me at all) but this only applies when there is absence of fundamental liberty interests. Pretty sure religion is a fundamental liberty so the rational basis test can't apply as a reasoning for upholding the ban. Perhaps the SCOTUS will be willing to block out all of the "Muslim Ban" language used by the president before the issuance of his EO, and only judge the EO on the wording of the EO itself which is what the lower courts were unable to do. If they do ignore the previous language used then it will certainly seem to be a weakening of the bill of rights fundamental right of freedom of religion and I'm sure they will have to grapple with that thought as they contemplate a ruling on the ban. Nice job. A slight bow and a tip of my cap to you sir. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 16 minutes ago, ECHS05 said: I honestly didnt know people actually supported Trump. He was just a way to break the norm, and the lesser of 2 evils between he and Hillary. Trump is a straight up liar and is 100% clueless about how to run a country. I know a few people believe it qualifies him simply because hes am extremely shady billionaire. How anybody can think hes actually good for the country I dont know. Hes just less bad for the country than Hillary wouldve been. If you actually support Trump, you support the moral breakdown of America with lies and cluelessness. Your first paragraph is exactly right imo. I thought the same thing when he started doing well in the primaries. Saw him as the mechanism that would break the system in a way where the opportunity to make changes could take place. Them the closer he got to winning, it no longer was a thought experiment and reality and disbelief set in. Been there ever since. ? Hard to believe we did it. Hillary would have been just more of the same but she is an adult. Bernie may have caused meaningful change but our elected monkeys just throw shit at each other all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 1 hour ago, concha said: Point is apparently that you are frigging clueless. You would rather wet yourself ranting about a tweet than address a mayor who can't say "Islamic terror". What racism are you talking about? "Muslim" is not a race. Just recently, didn't Trump not say those words when in SA? You do understand the thinking behind not saying don't you? If so, then you simply disagree and no reason to get bent out of shape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 39 minutes ago, World Citizen said: I officially reject that bs. As a fake tweet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Just now, TheRealCAJ said: As a fake tweet? I've been duped? Damn it.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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