OT: Another Attack in London

[NYHSFAN33]

6 minutes ago, concha said:

I just watched video of CNN staging a scene with "anti-ISIS Muslims" and non-white police officers.

 http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/shock-video-cnn-creates-fakenews-london-following-terror-attacks-stages-anti-isis-muslim-protesters/

This is blowing up on social media 

[HawgGoneIt]

Gentlemen, what many of you appear to be wanting, and thus blame liberals for disallowing, is to outlaw a particular religion. The constitution is what disallows it, not liberals. Perhaps while you all have the numbers in congress and a like-minded president, you can go about amending the constitution to disallow all followers of Islam from entering our country and allowing government entities and your neighborhood militias to go door to door seeking out those that practice or study Islam in order to excommunicate them or execute them or whatever. 

I've seen comparisons to the Japanese internment camps as being a solution to the radical terrorist problem, which perhaps it could be, as soon as we cut the religious protections out of the constitution. The difference is obvious to me, but evidently not you all. There is a difference between religion and country of descent and that's not about being politically correct or anything. It's about how to operate inside the framework of the constitution. 

[concha]

4 minutes ago, NYHSFAN33 said:

This is blowing up on social media 

 

And then there's the MSNBC guy Thomas Roberts asking if Trump is trying to deliberately provoke a terrorist attack on US soil.

 

Our non-partisan, objective press.

And they wonder why conservatives hold them in such contempt.

 

 

[Bormio]

11 minutes ago, concha said:

You should be so proud California.

[Bormio]

6 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

Gentlemen, what many of you appear to be wanting, and thus blame liberals for disallowing, is to outlaw a particular religion. The constitution is what disallows it, not liberals. Perhaps while you all have the numbers in congress and a like-minded president, you can go about amending the constitution to disallow all followers of Islam from entering our country and allowing government entities and your neighborhood militias to go door to door seeking out those that practice or study Islam in order to excommunicate them or execute them or whatever. 

I've seen comparisons to the Japanese internment camps as being a solution to the radical terrorist problem, which perhaps it could be, as soon as we cut the religious protections out of the constitution. The difference is obvious to me, but evidently not you all. There is a difference between religion and country of descent and that's not about being politically correct or anything. It's about how to operate inside the framework of the constitution. 

I do not want to outlaw a certain religion, but recognize that a certain religion contains a not insignificant element that is committed to carrying out evil and that we need to use that fact in making decisions to prevent this.  Pretending that this is not the case is foolhardy.  We can do this in accordance with constitutional tenets, but let it get severely out of hand, and we will deal with it one way or another, Constitution be damned.

[HawgGoneIt]

7 minutes ago, Bormio said:

I do not want to outlaw a certain religion, but recognize that a certain religion contains a not insignificant element that is committed to carrying out evil and that we need to use that fact in making decisions to prevent this.  Pretending that this is not the case is foolhardy.  We can do this in accordance with constitutional tenets, but let it get severely out of hand, and we will deal with it one way or another, Constitution be damned.

 

Of course we all understand that there is a sect of Islam that is extremist and wishes to do harm. How to maneuver inside the framework of the constitution isn't that complicated really. Firstly, you can't ban "Muslims" although you can ban Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis etc. If you are wanting to ban Syrians, Iranians, Iraqis and etc., do not use the Trump playbook of non-political correctness, which basically is the exact way to not do the things he is trying to do. Likely the ACLU and others would try to get injunctions etc., either way, but, the supreme court would have a lot less to wrestle with if we never called it a "Muslim" ban. 

The supreme court has overturned cases where political tests and country of descent was cited as a reason for halting certain deportations or bans of immigrants. This one involves these same countries of descent and political. 

Call them international terrorists, political terrorists or whatever. Then create an EO establishing the ban and deportations etc. 

Trump should have stuck to the Reagan playbook, which is what this is, rather than venturing off course and calling them religious terrorists basically. Reagan called them international terrorists and pretty much won every time he was challenged, even though at least once it had to be affirmed by the SCOTUS. 

The court has to apply the rational basis test, which has to prove that there is legitimate government purpose (which there is no doubt and no argument from me at all) but this only applies when there is absence of  fundamental liberty interests. Pretty sure religion is a fundamental liberty so the rational basis test can't apply as a reasoning for upholding the ban.  

Perhaps the SCOTUS will be willing to block out all of the "Muslim Ban" language used by the president before the issuance of his EO, and only judge the EO on the wording of the EO itself which is what the lower courts were unable to do. If they do ignore the previous language used then it will certainly seem to be a weakening of the bill of rights fundamental right of freedom of religion and I'm sure they will have to grapple with that thought as they contemplate a ruling on the ban.  

[BigDrop]

9 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

His silence is deafening for a reason. Because he's one of them. He refuses to publicly denounce any of their actions, proving that he wants to protect the terrorists (because of their like religion) rather than the rest of his city's inhabitants. It's a Cult Left thing. De Blasio does the same in these type situations as did Obama, routinely. 

PS...London mayor just issued a statement, "There's no reason to be alarmed." LOL There's currently over 23,000 Muslim extremists on his city's Watch List, but there's no reason to be alarmed. DJTs popular vote just took a few upticks. Thanks London. Please keep doing what you're doing! 

 

There's no reason to be alarmed because there are more police on the street and some are carrying firearms.  Incredible that Trump would misrepresent this.  Heartbreaking that an American president would say something like this immediately after a tragedy that our friends and allies suffered.

[BigDrop]

7 hours ago, Bormio said:

One major country in Europe has remained remarkably free of Islamist terror attacks - despite the fact that it contains one of the most visible monuments of Christianity in the world .... Italy.  The Italians do several things not done in other countries and are not very PC about it at all.

Your timing in saying this is horrible:  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40147813  One of my best friends (of 25+ years) is from Turin.  His parents live there and he and his wife still visit every year.  There is as much fear in Turin as anywhere in Europe of terrorists.  Unfortunately, some fool set off firecrackers at the Champions' League final and the result was 1,500 injured in a stampede.  

[Bormio]

The time for niceties and worrying about the grieving, while usually appropriate, has long passed.  Although she has been ridiculed, it was at least heartening to hear the British PM say "Enough is enough".  The time for saying we will tolerate this has passed.  The time is now to start looking at all options needed to stop these attacks.

[Bormio]

2 minutes ago, BigDrop said:

Your timing in saying this is horrible:  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40147813  One of my best friends (of 25+ years) is from Turin.  His parents live there and he and his wife still visit every year.  There is as much fear in Turin as anywhere in Europe of terrorists.  Unfortunately, some fool set off firecrackers at the Champions' League final and the result was 1,500 injured in a stampede.  

Sure there is fear, but there have not been attacks.  If there is fear in Turin, imagine what it is in London and Paris.  And the answer to keeping London safe is not an army of police on the streets forever.

[BigDrop]

6 hours ago, Drummer61 said:

Those that don't agree with this or believe in appeasement, should be watched..

Trump sadly misquoted the London mayor:  as I noted above the London mayor was talking about the police who would be carrying weapons.  Again, an absolute outrage that Trump would mischaracterize what was said only hours after the tragedy.  Disgraceful.  And how many people believed Trump, not knowing the truth?

[concha]

2 minutes ago, BigDrop said:

Trump sadly misquoted the London mayor:  as I noted above the London mayor was talking about the police who would be carrying weapons.  Again, an absolute outrage that Trump would mischaracterize what was said only hours after the tragedy.  Disgraceful.  And how many people believed Trump, not knowing the truth?

Any criticism of Maxine Waters?

How about the press insinuating the president is trying to provoke an attack on the US?

Do you think it might be constructive for the mayor of London to acknowledge that the terrorists were Muslims and that there is a problem in the Muslim community?

[HawgGoneIt]

1 hour ago, concha said:

 

 

 

"Can someone please tell me what this says? I can't see anything but..."

 

[DBP66]

23 minutes ago, BigDrop said:

There's no reason to be alarmed because there are more police on the street and some are carrying firearms.  Incredible that Trump would misrepresent this.  Heartbreaking that an American president would say something like this immediately after a tragedy that our friends and allies suffered.

...Donny always tries to use big news events to his political advantage...he makes comments about events asap on his truly Twitter account before all the facts are in...he tries to make political points with his base by somehow trying to turn every bad vent that happens domestically or internationally to a failed Obama policy or because we're weak and dumb as a nation exc....

True to form he screwed this one up and in his minnions run with his tweets...and the world has another laugh at the U.S courtesy of our President...once again..

[Bormio]

1 minute ago, DBP66 said:

...Doony always tries to use big news events to his political advantage...he makes comments about events asap on his truly Twitter account before all the facts are in...he tries to make political points with his base by somehow trying to turn every bad vent that happens domestically or internationally to a failed Obama policy or because we're weak and dumb as a nation exc....

True to form he screwed this one up and before the facts are in his minnions run with his tweets...and the world has another laugh at the U.S courtesy of our President...once again..

Europe now has very little to laugh at.

[DBP66]

5 minutes ago, concha said:

Any criticism of Maxine Waters?

How about the press insinuating the president is trying to provoke an attack on the US?

Do you think it might be constructive for the mayor of London to acknowledge that the terrorists were Muslims and that there is a problem in the Muslim community?

...look up his tweets champ....stop following your leader down wrong paths...

[aZjimbo]

2 minutes ago, DBP66 said:

...Donny always tries to use big news events to his political advantage...he makes comments about events asap on his truly Twitter account before all the facts are in...he tries to make political points with his base by somehow trying to turn every bad vent that happens domestically or internationally to a failed Obama policy or because we're weak and dumb as a nation exc....

True to form he screwed this one up and in his minnions run with his tweets...and the world has another laugh at the U.S courtesy of our President...once again..

Get a fucking life georgie. Really. 

[BigDrop]

8 hours ago, Bormio said:

One major country in Europe has remained remarkably free of Islamist terror attacks - despite the fact that it contains one of the most visible monuments of Christianity in the world .... Italy.  The Italians do several things not done in other countries and are not very PC about it at all.

Facts:

1.  Average monthly wages in Germany are approximately E3700 vs E 2150 for Italy. https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/wages

2.  Unemployment for males is over 11% in Italy and a bit over 4% in Germany.

3.  Medical, unemployment and other socialist programs are stronger in other European countries.

4.  Christianity in Italy is approximately 80% of the population while in Germany it is 60%. and France it is 66%.

 

[DBP66]

Just now, Bormio said:

Europe now has very little to laugh at.

besides our President?..you're right..

[DBP66]

Just now, aZjimbo said:

Get a fucking life georgie. Really. 

...ouch!..I must have struck a BIG nerve Jimmy...I see you took your head out of the sand...welcome back!

[BigDrop]

11 minutes ago, concha said:

Any criticism of Maxine Waters?

How about the press insinuating the president is trying to provoke an attack on the US?

Do you think it might be constructive for the mayor of London to acknowledge that the terrorists were Muslims and that there is a problem in the Muslim community?

This is Trump's mischaracterization of the London mayor.  Nothing else.

[aZjimbo]

2 minutes ago, DBP66 said:

...ouch!..I must have struck a BIG nerve Jimmy...I see you took your head out of the sand...welcome back!

The only nerve you hit is people realizing what a complete asshole you are. I don't spend my life by bashing Trump every day like you. As much I couldn't stand barry I have much more important things to do. Your entire existence is based on bashing trump. It's actually very sad especially for a so called Bosco boy.

[Bormio]

1 minute ago, BigDrop said:

Facts:

1.  Average monthly wages in Germany are approximately E3700 vs E 2150 for Italy. https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/wages

2.  Unemployment for males is over 11% in Italy and a bit over 4% in Germany.

3.  Medical, unemployment and other socialist programs are stronger in other European countries.

 

So .... I was not saying Italy was richer.  They so far have not had Islamists murdering their citizens.  And I am tired of hearing how great the Germans are.  The EU grew out of a need to tie Germany up and keep it from trying to conquer and annihilate its neighbors, as it did twice in the last 100 years.

[DBP66]

4 minutes ago, aZjimbo said:

The only nerve you hit is people realizing what a complete asshole you are. I don't spend my life by bashing Trump every day like you. As much I couldn't stand barry I have much more important things to do. Your entire existence is based on bashing trump. It's actually very sad especially for a so called Bosco boy.

..entire existence?!?....LOL...exaggerate much?...yea, it was a big nerve!...you can insert your Paramus Catholic head back in the sand now....

[BigDrop]

12 minutes ago, Bormio said:

Europe now has very little to laugh at.

BBC about Trump criticizing the London mayor:  http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40152637

Daily Mirror (UK):  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4570324/Trump-points-travel-ban-reports-London-attacks.html

Trump's criticism of the London mayor is a major story in England.  He is not liked there.  Unfortunately, many Europeans believe that most Americans are now like Trump.