Ararar Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 TOP 25 COMPARISON (talent-only based vs SOS factored in) based only on our perception of how "good" teams are also factoring in strength of schedule to pre-drop some teams that will naturally fall in our system over the course of the season given that playing weaker teams drags a team's rating down* #1 IMG Academy (Bradenton, FL) #1 IMG Academy (Bradenton, FL) #2 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) #2 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) #3 St. Frances Academy (Baltimore, MD) #3 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) #4 Aquinas [St. Thomas] (Fort Lauderdale, FL) #4 Aquinas [St. Thomas] (Fort Lauderdale, FL) #5 Northwestern (Miami, FL) #5 St. Frances Academy (Baltimore, MD) #6 Duncanville (TX) #6 St. Joseph's Prep (Philadelphia, PA) #7 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) #7 Northwestern (Miami, FL) #8 St. Joseph's Prep (Philadelphia, PA) #8 Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) #9 North Shore (Houston, TX) #9 Our Lady of Good Counsel (Olney, MD) #10 Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) #10 De Smet Jesuit (St. Louis, MO) #11 De Smet Jesuit (St. Louis, MO) #11 Washington [Booker T.] (Miami, FL) #12 Guyer [John H.] (Denton, TX) #12 Duncanville (TX) #13 Ryan [Billy] (Denton, TX) #13 Mount St. Joseph (Baltimore, MD) #14 Our Lady of Good Counsel (Olney, MD) #14 Chandler (AZ) #15 Washington [Booker T.] (Miami, FL) #15 Guyer [John H.] (Denton, TX) #16 Shadow Creek (Pearland, TX) #16 Mission Viejo (CA) #17 Katy (TX) #17 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) #18 Palmetto (Miami, FL) #18 North Shore (Houston, TX) #19 Mount St. Joseph (Baltimore, MD) #19 Carroll (Southlake, TX) #20 Carroll (Southlake, TX) #20 St. Louis (Honolulu, HI) #21 Chandler (AZ) #21 DeSoto (TX) #22 Parish Episcopal (Dallas, TX) #22 Corner Canyon (Draper, UT) #23 Mission Viejo (CA) #23 Katy (TX) #24 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) #24 Parish Episcopal (Dallas, TX) #25 Corner Canyon (Draper, UT) #25 Gonzaga (Washington, DC) *Please note that teams are now being pre-dropped as explained above in order to slot them the way we prefer for our official pre-season ratings. However, it is important to understand that this "pre-drop" is eliminated once a team's season gets underway. Once they start playing, their season-to-date SOS is used by our system as opposed to the full-season SOS. [Note: last season's schedule strength is used as a place-holder to pre-drop teams if we have not yet collected their 2020 schedule.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdawg Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, Ararar said: TOP 25 COMPARISON (talent-only based vs SOS factored in) based only on our perception of how "good" teams are also factoring in strength of schedule to pre-drop some teams that will naturally fall in our system over the course of the season given that playing weaker teams drags a team's rating down* #1 IMG Academy (Bradenton, FL) #1 IMG Academy (Bradenton, FL) #2 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) #2 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) #3 St. Frances Academy (Baltimore, MD) #3 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) #4 Aquinas [St. Thomas] (Fort Lauderdale, FL) #4 Aquinas [St. Thomas] (Fort Lauderdale, FL) #5 Northwestern (Miami, FL) #5 St. Frances Academy (Baltimore, MD) #6 Duncanville (TX) #6 St. Joseph's Prep (Philadelphia, PA) #7 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) #7 Northwestern (Miami, FL) #8 St. Joseph's Prep (Philadelphia, PA) #8 Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) #9 North Shore (Houston, TX) #9 Our Lady of Good Counsel (Olney, MD) #10 Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) #10 De Smet Jesuit (St. Louis, MO) #11 De Smet Jesuit (St. Louis, MO) #11 Washington [Booker T.] (Miami, FL) #12 Guyer [John H.] (Denton, TX) #12 Duncanville (TX) #13 Ryan [Billy] (Denton, TX) #13 Mount St. Joseph (Baltimore, MD) #14 Our Lady of Good Counsel (Olney, MD) #14 Chandler (AZ) #15 Washington [Booker T.] (Miami, FL) #15 Guyer [John H.] (Denton, TX) #16 Shadow Creek (Pearland, TX) #16 Mission Viejo (CA) #17 Katy (TX) #17 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) #18 Palmetto (Miami, FL) #18 North Shore (Houston, TX) #19 Mount St. Joseph (Baltimore, MD) #19 Carroll (Southlake, TX) #20 Carroll (Southlake, TX) #20 St. Louis (Honolulu, HI) #21 Chandler (AZ) #21 DeSoto (TX) #22 Parish Episcopal (Dallas, TX) #22 Corner Canyon (Draper, UT) #23 Mission Viejo (CA) #23 Katy (TX) #24 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) #24 Parish Episcopal (Dallas, TX) #25 Corner Canyon (Draper, UT) #25 Gonzaga (Washington, DC) *Please note that teams are now being pre-dropped as explained above in order to slot them the way we prefer for our official pre-season ratings. However, it is important to understand that this "pre-drop" is eliminated once a team's season gets underway. Once they start playing, their season-to-date SOS is used by our system as opposed to the full-season SOS. [Note: last season's schedule strength is used as a place-holder to pre-drop teams if we have not yet collected their 2020 schedule.] If this is a preseason poll for next year, where is Grayson? MaxPreps had them consistently ranked higher than Lowndes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 I’m interested in how they factor in talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdawg Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, 954gator said: I’m interested in how they factor in talent. The full analysis for every team releases on August 6th. If you go to each team's individual page on the "Sneak Peek" portion of CalPreps (next to the preview), you can find any team and their talent loss/gained stat along with others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdawg Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 IMG didn't seem too great for their standards last year, and yet they're ranked first this year, above the national champion and runner-up. There must be an explanation for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Here's a talent breakdown based on 247sports (senior class). I used the "talent list" on the left and look at the top 10 teams listed. To make it less cluttered I'm going explain the 3 numbers...1st row is # of kids offered, 2nd is # of 3 stars or higher, 3rd is # of 4 stars or higher. IMG: 18 (w/ offers), 15 (3*s+), 7 (4*s+) MD: 12 , 9 , 5 SFA: 15 , 10 , 4 STA: 19 , 12, 4 MNW: 14, 12, 3 Edit found it...they kind of are stacked with talent. 247 search hasn't worked for this school since I can remember it always says no results even though I know they have them. That being said this seems waaaay to high for MNW. I guess since MNW was supposed to play SJB it's all good lol. (planned rankings bump for Cali?) Duncanville: 9 , 6 , 2 SJB: 8, 6 , 2 SJP: 3, 2, 1 North Shore: 5, 3, 3 Lowndes: 5, 4, 0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCBlackhatter Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, 954gator said: Here's a breakdown of talent of senior classes based on 247sports. I used the "talent list" on the left and look at the top 10 teams listed. To make it less cluttered I'm going explain the 3 numbers...1st row is # of kids offered, 2nd is # of 3 stars or higher, 3rd is # of 4 stars or higher. These numbers are senior class kids only and are taken from 247. IMG: 18 (w/ offers), 15 (3*s+), 7 (4*s+) MD: 12 , 9 , 5 SFA: 15 , 10 , 4 STA: 19 , 12, 4 MNW: 247 search hasn't worked for this school since I can remember it always says no results even though I know they have them. That being said this seems waaaay to high for MNW. I guess since MNW was supposed to play SJB it's all good lol. (planned rankings bump for Cali?) Duncanville: 9 , 6 , 2 SJB: 8, 6 , 2 SJP: 3, 2, 1 North Shore: 5, 3, 3 Lowndes: 5, 4, 0 Absolutely a rankings bump for SJB. No other explanation, we have years of sample sizes to back this up. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga96 Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Lowndes is again ranked behind a team they destroyed last year and lowndes didn't lose much talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ga96 said: Lowndes is again ranked behind a team they destroyed last year and lowndes didn't lose much talent. They lost Randy Mac...... Rufus>> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooverOutlaw Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 1 hour ago, ngdawg said: If this is a preseason poll for next year, where is Grayson? MaxPreps had them consistently ranked higher than Lowndes. Can't rank Grayson till the day of the first game. Those traveling 285 all stars are still on the move. If calpreps could access future reservations for Uhaul and 2 men and a truck they could see just how many till Christmas transfers they will have. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngdawg Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said: Can't rank Grayson till the day of the first game. Those traveling 285 all stars are still on the move. If calpreps could access future reservations for Uhaul and 2 men and a truck they could see just how many till Christmas transfers they will have. Based off current talent, Grayson has a great shot of winning it all this year, with only Lowndes and Parkview in their way in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga96 Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rufus69 said: They lost Randy Mac...... Rufus>> 😂 don't bring up those underachieving memories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, Ga96 said: Lowndes is again ranked behind a team they destroyed last year and lowndes didn't lose much talent. Yeah and normally calpreps isn't that high on MNW. All of a sudden they are (supposedly although prob not) going to Cali and they are borderline top 5 SMH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Miami Palmetto 9, 7, 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Ga96 said: 😂 don't bring up those underachieving memories You do know that DuBose hasn't won a single game in AAAAAAA? Rogers won 9 in his first year and lots of people around Norman Park don't think that was enough. I'm sure the Lowndes fans will be much more understanding.... Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP28 Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Rufus69 said: They lost Randy Mac...... Rufus>> I always knew you were a closet fan of Randy’s. Even more so now that “The Rush” Has departed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Rufus69 said: You do know that DuBose hasn't won a single game in AAAAAAA? Rogers won 9 in his first year and lots of people around Norman Park don't think that was enough. I'm sure the Lowndes fans will be much more understanding.... Rufus>> It's never enough! Ever! 15-0 isn't enough. 30-0 isn't enough. We want more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 That list is trash! (I was a poet and didn't know it...Make a rhyme most anytime...) Where is Valdosta on there? Any list without Valdosta in the top 8 is trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga96 Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 39 minutes ago, Rufus69 said: You do know that DuBose hasn't won a single game in AAAAAAA? Rogers won 9 in his first year and lots of people around Norman Park don't think that was enough. I'm sure the Lowndes fans will be much more understanding.... Rufus>> Yes I was referring to randy mac. Dubose has a new slate. I honestly believe mac wasted talent for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga96 Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 49 minutes ago, Rufus69 said: You do know that DuBose hasn't won a single game in AAAAAAA? Rogers won 9 in his first year and lots of people around Norman Park don't think that was enough. I'm sure the Lowndes fans will be much more understanding.... Rufus>> Propst himself said he could've done better i believe a lot if coaches could have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Found MNW’s #s. They actually do have a pretty talented roster. 14, 12 , 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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