concha Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, noonereal said: Some how I think you know the answer to this. He is? Please explain, maybe I am unaware. Thanks You are unaware that Trump has called for NATO nations to increase their military spending? Even Chip knows this, despite his unpatriotic ranting in favor of the German chancellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: I answered another of your boneheaded questions,,,....be thankful the forum has patience with you. Really? When and where did that happen, Chip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, concha said: You are unaware that Trump has called for NATO nations to increase their military spending? Even Chip knows this, despite his unpatriotic ranting in favor of the German chancellor. You do interpret things differently than most. But, OK, I now understand what you are talking about. Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, concha said: Really? When and where did that happen, Chip? Really! Right here, don't you remember? .....probably when you were being stupid yet gain and you completely missed it. You miss a lot of stuff concerning the King Orange team and Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, TheRealCAJ said: Really! Right here, don't you remember? .....probably when you were being stupid yet gain and you completely missed it. You miss a lot of stuff concerning the King Orange team and Russia. Chip, Even you aren't frigging stupid enough to count a photo op as evidence of "a close relationship" are you? (which, btw, is your invention - Chip the Dumb Racist just making shit up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 10 minutes ago, concha said: Chip, Even you aren't frigging stupid enough to count a photo op as evidence of "a close relationship" are you? (which, btw, is your invention - Chip the Dumb Racist just making shit up). President-elect Donald Trump is poised to tap ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson for secretary of state, NBC News reported on Saturday. NBC's Andrea Mitchell, citing sources, said that Tillerson will be officially nominated sometime next week, "barring some unforeseen change of mind by the president-elect." Tillerson recently rose as one of the top contenders for secretary of state, and his reported nomination comes on the heels of former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani taking himself out of consideration for the position. Other top contenders were former military officer David Petraeus and former presidential candidate and Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Though the Trump team has not yet confirmed that it has selected Tillerson for secretary of state, his potential nomination as the primary conduit between the United States and foreign governments is raising concerns among some, particularly because of his connections to the Russian government and Russian president Vladimir Putin. Tillerson, who has no previous government experience or experience working as a diplomat, has ties to Russia that go back nearly two decades. Tillerson met Putin in 1999, according to Bloomberg, when Tillerson first represented Exxon's interests in Russia while it was under Boris Yeltsin's leadership. Tillerson, while representing Exxon, has also worked with Rosneft, a major Russian state-run corporation, since the 1990s, when they first collaborated on the Sakhalin-1 project in Russia's Far East. Since then, the project has been successful in furthering Exxon's and Rosneft's oil interests. In 2011, Tillerson struck another deal for Exxon with Rosneft, which gave Exxon access to oil fields in the Arctic. In return, Rosneft received stakes in a number of Exxon projects within the US. That deal eventually tanked, however, when Russia invaded Crimea and stoked tensions with Ukraine, leading the US to impose sanctions on Russia. Tillerson criticized the move sharply, citing the "broad collateral damage" the sanctions caused. Tillerson holds a $151 million stake in Exxon stock, according to securities filings reviewed by the Wall Street Journal, and the value of that stock would increase if US sanctions on Russia were lifted. The Journal notes that as secretary of state, one of the first conflicts of interest Tillerson would need to address would be his holdings in Exxon. He would likely need to divest his interests in the company based on the State Department's ethics rules, Chase Untermeyer, a former US Ambassador to Qatar, told the Journal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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concha Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: President-elect Donald Trump is poised to tap ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson for secretary of state, NBC News reported on Saturday. NBC's Andrea Mitchell, citing sources, said that Tillerson will be officially nominated sometime next week, "barring some unforeseen change of mind by the president-elect." Tillerson recently rose as one of the top contenders for secretary of state, and his reported nomination comes on the heels of former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani taking himself out of consideration for the position. Other top contenders were former military officer David Petraeus and former presidential candidate and Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Though the Trump team has not yet confirmed that it has selected Tillerson for secretary of state, his potential nomination as the primary conduit between the United States and foreign governments is raising concerns among some, particularly because of his connections to the Russian government and Russian president Vladimir Putin. Tillerson, who has no previous government experience or experience working as a diplomat, has ties to Russia that go back nearly two decades. Tillerson met Putin in 1999, according to Bloomberg, when Tillerson first represented Exxon's interests in Russia while it was under Boris Yeltsin's leadership. Tillerson, while representing Exxon, has also worked with Rosneft, a major Russian state-run corporation, since the 1990s, when they first collaborated on the Sakhalin-1 project in Russia's Far East. Since then, the project has been successful in furthering Exxon's and Rosneft's oil interests. In 2011, Tillerson struck another deal for Exxon with Rosneft, which gave Exxon access to oil fields in the Arctic. In return, Rosneft received stakes in a number of Exxon projects within the US. That deal eventually tanked, however, when Russia invaded Crimea and stoked tensions with Ukraine, leading the US to impose sanctions on Russia. Tillerson criticized the move sharply, citing the "broad collateral damage" the sanctions caused. Tillerson holds a $151 million stake in Exxon stock, according to securities filings reviewed by the Wall Street Journal, and the value of that stock would increase if US sanctions on Russia were lifted. The Journal notes that as secretary of state, one of the first conflicts of interest Tillerson would need to address would be his holdings in Exxon. He would likely need to divest his interests in the company based on the State Department's ethics rules, Chase Untermeyer, a former US Ambassador to Qatar, told the Journal. So, one of the premier businessmen in the world - from the oil industry - occasionally did deals in Russia, which is one of the world's largest oil producers. Hold the fucking presses. I'm sure the cover-up to hide this stuff was epic, right Chip? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, concha said: So, one of the premier businessmen in the world - from the oil industry - occasionally did deals in Russia, which is one of the world's largest oil producers. go back to bed, concha...it's going to be another very long day for you, I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: Wow. Is that from secret KGB archives? This kind of stuff is so rare. A major international figure like the CEO of a tiny company like Exxon getting something shiny. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: President-elect Donald Trump is poised to tap ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson for secretary of state, NBC News reported on Saturday. NBC's Andrea Mitchell, citing sources, said that Tillerson will be officially nominated sometime next week, "barring some unforeseen change of mind by the president-elect." Tillerson recently rose as one of the top contenders for secretary of state, and his reported nomination comes on the heels of former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani taking himself out of consideration for the position. Other top contenders were former military officer David Petraeus and former presidential candidate and Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Though the Trump team has not yet confirmed that it has selected Tillerson for secretary of state, his potential nomination as the primary conduit between the United States and foreign governments is raising concerns among some, particularly because of his connections to the Russian government and Russian president Vladimir Putin. Tillerson, who has no previous government experience or experience working as a diplomat, has ties to Russia that go back nearly two decades. Tillerson met Putin in 1999, according to Bloomberg, when Tillerson first represented Exxon's interests in Russia while it was under Boris Yeltsin's leadership. Tillerson, while representing Exxon, has also worked with Rosneft, a major Russian state-run corporation, since the 1990s, when they first collaborated on the Sakhalin-1 project in Russia's Far East. Since then, the project has been successful in furthering Exxon's and Rosneft's oil interests. In 2011, Tillerson struck another deal for Exxon with Rosneft, which gave Exxon access to oil fields in the Arctic. In return, Rosneft received stakes in a number of Exxon projects within the US. That deal eventually tanked, however, when Russia invaded Crimea and stoked tensions with Ukraine, leading the US to impose sanctions on Russia. Tillerson criticized the move sharply, citing the "broad collateral damage" the sanctions caused. Tillerson holds a $151 million stake in Exxon stock, according to securities filings reviewed by the Wall Street Journal, and the value of that stock would increase if US sanctions on Russia were lifted. The Journal notes that as secretary of state, one of the first conflicts of interest Tillerson would need to address would be his holdings in Exxon. He would likely need to divest his interests in the company based on the State Department's ethics rules, Chase Untermeyer, a former US Ambassador to Qatar, told the Journal. one thing those that are emotionally aligned with the right are missing is that when you are doing business with Russia you are doing business with Putin and Putin looks at all dealings as opportunity to exploit for benefit of mother Russian, their geopolitical goals being front and center. American businessmen could give two cra$s about American when they do deals. They care about the non working ruling class stock owners. There are no American businessmen actively working to entrap Russians for influence in their internal politics and global strategies. A very different dynamic. This is why all the Russian connections need to be looked at closely. Russia is not Germany. Whoops, did I just say that? Not trying to be controversial but squaring off against Germany and embarrassing Russia should make anyone of age of reason to stand tall and attentive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 minute ago, TheRealCAJ said: go back to bed, concha...it's going to be another very long day for you, I'm afraid. No Chip, i want to see where your tiny mind takes this. You're on to something I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, concha said: So, one of the premier businessmen in the world - from the oil industry - occasionally did deals in Russia, which is one of the world's largest oil producers. read my post above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 More importantly....and, disturbing. Has everyone noticed by now how concha laughs at everything concerning the King Orange team and Russia. Doesn't matter what it is....it's all funny. Welcome to the new America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: More importantly....and, disturbing. Has everyone noticed by now how concha laughs at everything concerning the King Orange team and Russia. Doesn't matter what it is....it's all funny. Welcome to the new America. That is simply an attempt to invalidate the concerns of those who view the President's actions now and in the past as troubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, noonereal said: one thing those that are emotionally aligned with the right are missing is that when you are doing business with Russia you are doing business with Putin and Putin looks at all dealings as opportunity to exploit for benefit of mother Russian, their geopolitical goals being front and center. American businessmen could give two cra$s about American when they do deals. They care about the non working ruling class stock owners. There are no American businessmen actively working to entrap Russians for influence in their internal politics and global strategies. A very different dynamic. This is why all the Russian connections need to be looked at closely. Russia is not Germany. Whoops, did I just say that? Not trying to be controversial but squaring off against Germany and embarrassing Russia should make anyone of age of reason to stand tall and attentive. Exxon is a country.....they have their own foreign policy. I remember reading this last year. http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2016/12/exxonmobil_41st_largest_econom.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, noonereal said: That is simply an attempt to invalidate the concerns of those who view the President's actions now and in the past as troubling. It's laughter. Dimwit points to Tillerson having contact with Russia (shocker!) as evidence of wrongdoing. It's absurd. Hillary Clinton and her hubby had a pay for play scheme going on through their foundation with Russia. Podesta has/had Russia ties. Uranium One, anyone? The hypocrisy and distortions are epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, concha said: It's laughter. Dimwit points to Tillerson having contact with Russia (shocker!) as evidence of wrongdoing. It's absurd. Hillary Clinton and her hubby had a pay for play scheme going on through their foundation with Russia. Podesta has/had Russia ties. Uranium One, anyone? The hypocrisy and distortions are epic. I don't understand why you bring up Hillary. (of course I do, but it's a logical fallacy to do so) We are talking about Trump. You won't find many here who don't want Hill in jail so I think a different tact is in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, noonereal said: I don't understand why you bring up Hillary. (of course I do, but it's a logical fallacy to do so) We are talking about Trump. You won't find many here who don't want Hill in jail so I think a different tact is in order. Trump = No evidence And hypocrisy is a valid point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 What does that kind of friendship mean? Past experience suggests it is not a relationship of equals. It means that, at the drop of a hat, the Kremlin might discover serious environmental violations at your Sakhalin plant and drive you out of the country, as it did to Royal Dutch Shell, and then give the lucrative access to a better, domestic ally. It might decide to harass you with lawsuits to force you out, as it did to BP. And it might even throw you in jail, as it did to powerful Russian oligarch Vladimir Yevtushenkov in order to take a small oil company, Bashneft, away from you and give it to Sechin. Putin would even arrest his largely popular economics minister, as he did on November 15, to help Sechin retain it. The lesson of Putin’s 16-year tenure is a lesson that all businesspeople, foreign and domestic, have learned: To do business in Russia, you have to be on good, personal terms with Putin and Sechin. And you have to understand that those two gatekeepers to Russia’s riches are fickle and sadistic, and, as former KGB operatives, know little of real friendship. To do business in Russia—both for Exxon Mobil and for Tillerson’s own massive retirement fund, whose fortunes would rise significantly if a Trump White House lifted sanctions—you have to dance to Putin’s tune, and take whatever favors and humiliations he sends your way. Putin may act a friend and pin state medals on your breast, but he is, ultimately, a cynic. And to play ball with him, you have to be a cynic, too. Forget your honor, your rule of law, your independent judiciary, your human rights, your international law, and focus on the gold coins he throws to your feet. And forget looking dignified as you gather them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, concha said: And hypocrisy is a valid point. Yes it is... When Obama was pressuring NATO countries to meet the "2%" not a peep from your, laughing dumb ass. Now NATO is the most important thing in your life at the moment. Grow up, only better this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 18 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: Yes it is... When Obama was pressuring NATO countries to meet the "2%" not a peep from your, laughing dumb ass. Now NATO is the most important thing in your life at the moment. Grow up, only better this time. Dealing with idiots like you can be amusing, Chip. What "peep" was i supposed to utter? I agree with the point whether it comes out the hole under Obama's nose or the one under Trump's. And lest we forget, it was YOU, Chip, who brought the NATO/Merkel controversy to the board. Your integrity and self-respect by-pass surgery was a huge success, Chip. Nobody else on this board is capable of the feats of self-humiliation that you are, and you come back every day to share more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 Just now, concha said: . And lest we forget, it was YOU, Chip, who brought the NATO/Merkel controversy/tweet to the board. Yes, I brought the King Orange 5AM tweet to light.......just another 5AM tweet for the King Orange archive. You then hit "rage monkey mode".......like you typically do with anything concerning King Orange.. So sad watching your pathetic thought process in action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: Yes, I brought the King Orange 5AM tweet to light.......just another 5AM tweet for the King Orange archive. You then hit "rage monkey mode".......like you typically do with anything concerning King Orange.. So sad watching your pathetic thought process in action. I react to very, very few of your attacks on Trump, Chip. As regards the NATO thing, as a student of military history it jumped out at me how stupid your (and Merkel's) attack are. Obama called for the same. Where were your attacks, Chip? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, concha said: I react to very, very few of your attacks on Trump, Chip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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