De La Salle: California Dominance

[badrouter]

 

2 hours ago, The Guru said:

So just making stuff up but you just like to prefer to it as "rough estimates."

Gotcha.

`I didn't say rough estimates. I said examples, because the exact terms and wording can vary. We need objective metrics made available to the public. I assume Newsom will provide this soon.

[badrouter]

2 hours ago, The Guru said:

No, you're still just asking to be lied to and/or assuaged with bullshit hocus pocus.

Again, the demand is not to tell us what the virus will do. It is to tell us what we will do if/when various outcomes with the virus occur.

[Duckburghsfinest1987]

On 4/10/2020 at 6:19 AM, SeaShells21 said:

 

Please join me in congratulating the one and only De La Salle Spartan program on their achievement of being crowned the most dominant team inside the state of California over the last decade. 

 

Their level of success is unprecedented and unrivaled and we can only wish for their continued excellence in a state that breeds dominance.

 

 

• Top 25 finishes in the MaxPreps state computer rankings (25 points awarded to the No. 1 team, 24 for No. 2 and so on).

• Top 25 finishes in the MaxPreps national computer rankings (50 points for No. 1, 49 for No. 2 and so on).

• State/Bowl championships (20 points).
 

• State/Bowl championship game appearances (10 points). 

 

 

1. De La Salle (Concord) (828) 
State championships: 2010 (Open), 2011 (Open), 2012 (Open), 2014 (Open), 2015 (Open)
State runner-up: 2013 (Open), 2016 (Open), 2017 (Open), 2018 (Open), 2019 (Open)
State Top 25: 2010 (1), 2011 (1), 2012 (1), 2013 (2), 2014 (1), 2015 (1), 2016 (5), 2017 (5), 2018 (3), 2019 (3) 
Nationally ranked: 2010 (1), 2011 (3), 2012 (1), 2013 (6), 2014 (1), 2015 (1), 2016 (24), 2017 (15), 2018 (4), 2019 (13)

 

2. St. John Bosco (Bellflower) (617)

State championships: 2013 (Open), 2016 (Open), 2019 (Open)
State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2011 (13), 2012 (5), 2013 (1), 2014 (4), 2015 (3), 2016 (1), 2017 (2), 2018 (2), 2019 (1)
Nationally ranked: 2012 (23), 2013 (1), 2014 (19), 2015 (4), 2016 (2), 2017 (3), 2018 (2), 2019 (1)

 

3. Centennial (Corona) (569)

State championships: N/A
State runner-up: 2010 (I), 2012 (Open), 2014 (Open), 2015 (Open)
State Top 25: 2010 (5), 2011 (11), 2012 (2), 2013 (6), 2014 (3), 2015 (2), 2016 (3), 2017 (4), 2018 (5), 2019 (5)
Nationally ranked: 2010 (2), 2012 (13), 2014 (9), 2015 (2), 2016 (8), 2017 (12), 2018 (9), 2019 (20)

 

4. Mater Dei (Santa Ana) (501)

State championships: 2017 (Open), 2018 (Open)
State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2010 (17), 2012 (8), 2013 (3), 2014 (6), 2015 (2), 2016 (2), 2017 (1), 2018 (1), 2019 (2)
Nationally ranked: 2013 (10), 2015 (17), 2016 (3), 2017 (1), 2018 (1), 2019 (2)

 

5. Folsom (412)

State championships: 2019 (II), 2014 (1), 2017 (1AA), 2018 (1AA)
State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2010 (2), 2012 (16), 2013 (8), 2014 (2), 2015 (8), 2016 (15), 2017 (3), 2018 (4), 2019 )23)
Nationally ranked: 2010 (5), 2014 (5), 2017 (8), 2018 (7)

 

6. Mission Viejo (337)

State championships: 2015 (I-AA)
State runner-up: NA
State Top 25: 2010 (6) 2011 (7), 2012 (10), 2013 (7), 2014 (12), 2015 (4), 2016 (8), 2017 (6), 2018 (8), 2019 (6)
Nationally ranked: 2010 (23), 2015 (10), 2017 (17), 2019 (23)

 

7. Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita)(147)

State championships: 2011 (I)
State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2010 (10), 2011 (2), 2012 (12), 2014 (24), 2016 (12), 2017 (10)
Nationally ranked: 2011 (10)

 

8. Narbonne (Harbor City) (139)

State championships: 2015 (I-A), 2017 (I-A)
State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2011 (22), 2012 (3), 2015 (25), 2016 (23), 2017 (9), 2019 (8)
Nationally ranked: 2012 (18)

 

9. Serra (Gardena) (136)

State championships: 2012 (II)
State runner-up: 2010 (II)
State Top 25: 2010 (12), 2012 (6), 2013 (11), 2014 (11), 2015 (11), 2016 (25)
Nationally ranked: 2012 (25)

 

10. Helix (La Mesa) (130)

State championships: 2011 (11)
State runner-up: 2016 (Open), 2017 (1AA)
State Top 25: 2011 (6), 2013 (25), 2014 (15), 2015 (7), 2016 (20), 2017 (7), 2019 (12)
Nationally ranked: N/A

 

11. Vista Murrieta (Murrieta) (128)

State championships: N/A
State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2010 (20), 2011 (3), 2012 (7), 2013 (9), 2014 (17), 2015 (12), 2016 (21)
Nationally ranked: 2011 (16)

 

12. Cathedral Catholic (San Diego) (126)

State championships: 2016 (I-AA)
State runner-up: 2018 (I-AA)
State Top 25: 2013 (16), 2014 (20), 2016 (4), 2018 (9), 2019 (20)
Nationally ranked: 2016 (16)

 

13. Oaks Christian (Westlake Village) (125)

State championships: N/A
State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2010 (7), 2011 (12), 2012 (20), 2013 (13), 2015 (22), 2017 (12), 2018 (6)
Nationally ranked: 2018 (16)

 

14. Long Beach Poly (121)

State championships: N/A
State runner-up: 2012 (I)
State Top 25: 2011 (20), 2012 (4), 2013 (10), 2014 (8), 2015 (19), 2017 (13)
Nationally ranked: 2012 (22)

 

15. Servite (Anaheim) (119)

State championships: N/A
State runner-up: 2010 (Open)
State Top 25: 2010 (3), 2011 (10), 213 (18), 2017 (24), 2019 (10)
Nationally ranked: 2010 (7)

 

16. JSerra Catholic (San Juan Capistrano)(106)

State championships: N/A
State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2013 (15), 2014 (10), 2015 (21), 2017 (18), 2018 (7), 2019 (13)
Nationally ranked: 2018 (17)

 

17. Chaminade (West Hills) (103)

State championships: 2013 (II)
State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2012 (17), 2013 (4), 2016 (22), 2017 (11)
Nationally ranked: 2013 (18)

 

18. Corona del Mar (Newport Beach) (101) 
State championships: 2013 (III), 2019 (1A)

State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2018 (22), 2019 (4)
Nationally ranked: 2019 (16)

 

19. (tie) Central Catholic (Modesto) (97)

State championships: 2012 (IV), 2013 (IV), 2014 (IV), 2015 (SMALL)
State runner-up: N/A
State Top 25: 2015 (9)
Nationally ranked: N/A

 

19. (tie) Del Oro (Loomis) (97)

State championships: 2015 (II-AA)
State runner-up: 2011 (II), 2013 (I), 2018 (2AA)
State Top 25: 2011 (15), 2013 (24), 2015 (15), 2016 (14), 2018 (15)
Nationally ranked: N/A

in the last decade, looks like Corona Centennial is the only CA public school that came close to finishing number 1 in the nation, eventhough this was more than a decade ago, the 2004 Mission Viejo team, which is considered the greatest in the programs history, Mark Sanchez's senior year, I believe finished ranked number 2 in the nation. 

[Cal 14]

On 4/24/2020 at 9:43 AM, badrouter said:

No. I'm not expecting dates informing what the virus will do. I'm expecting metrics to be announced around how restrictions will change based on various outcomes of the virus. "After __ days of a decline in the rate of new cases, gatherings of up to 10 will be allowed". "As long as use of beds in hospitals/ICU units remains at or below __% of capacity, restaurants which have reconfigured to allow for social distancing will be able to welcome dine-in customers". Etc. All just very rough examples of what I'm expecting. Nothing of the kind requires anyone to know what the actual outcomes with the virus will be.

What is the point of setting guidelines if no one is going to adhere to them?  The administration set some goals, but the red-state governors just ignore them.  Trump himself not only ignores them, but actively encourages everyone to do the same.

[SeaShells21]

Back to California discussion...

De La Salle tops the Californian list with an impressive dynasty record of 225 wins and only 20 losses dating back to 2002.

I don’t believe anyone else can say the same.

 

Texas’ closest programs to this feat:

Katy: 284 wins; 32 losses

Highland Park: 253 wins; 31 losses

 

Florida’s closest:

Lakeland: 217 wins; 26 losses

St Thomas Aquinas: 240 wins; 30 losses

 

California’s closest:

Mission Viejo: 205 wins; 25 losses

Centennial (Cen10): 212 wins; 36 losses

 

Trinity League’s closest:

Bosco: 163 - 57

Monarchs: 170 - 57

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

Hit that political post and I was like....

Then SeaShells brought me back....

bgw

[Duckburghsfinest1987]

I hope in my lifetime, there is a California public high school, that finishes the season ranked number 1 in the nation, would like to see a public school do that, which I don't believe has been done since 1987.

[Ararar]

6 hours ago, Duckburghsfinest1987 said:

I hope in my lifetime, there is a California public high school, that finishes the reason ranked number 1 in the nation, would like to see a public school do that, which I don't believe has been done since 1987.

Probably would have happened in 2015 if Logan believed in kicking FG

[Extremely Humble]

1 hour ago, Ararar said:

Probably would have happened in 2015 if Logan believed in kicking FG

Probably would have happened in 2014 if Richardson actually scheduled someone

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

Probably... If I knew who the hell those two are posting about....

bgw

[Ararar]

17 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said:

Probably... If I knew who the hell those two are posting about....

bgw

2015 Centennial had just beaten MD and SJB to make it to the Open Game against DLS.DLS won 28-21 however Centennial was inside the DLS 15 on 3 or 4 occasions but Matt Logan the Centennial coach always goes for it on 4th down and doesn’t kick FG

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

Copy that, thanks Ararar. 
 

bgw

[Duckburghsfinest1987]

another fantasy what-if speculation, back during the glory days or glory years for Los Al(Los Alamitos), throughout the 90's and early 2000's, they were regular CIF D-1 title contenders, would regularly make deep playoff runs, since that 2004 CIF Title game loss to LB Poly, which was Desean Jackson's senior year at LB Poly, Los Al has done very poorly in the playoffs, in Barnes last decade as the Head Coach, the Griffins only won a single playoff game.

In 2002 and 2003, they were ranked high in the Nation, at the beginning of 2003, I believe Los Al was ranked number 2 in the nation, good chance they would have finished number 1 if their star safety, Randy Estes, had not gotten busted for weed, marijuana. He never saw a college football field because of that incident. 

At the end of the day, it's just fantasy and speculation, it's fun to imagine at times.

 

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

There’s no fantasy nor speculation in this hit....

bgw

[World Citizen]

23 hours ago, Ararar said:

Probably would have happened in 2015 if Logan believed in kicking FG

That was one hell of a game and I was really impressed with Cen10 D that game.  

Same thing with Palo Alto.  Not kicking the fg cost him the ship IMO.  Not sure if that is bad coaching or just stubbornness.  Probably a little of both.  

[Ararar]

1 hour ago, World Citizen said:

That was one hell of a game and I was really impressed with Cen10 D that game.  

Same thing with Palo Alto.  Not kicking the fg cost him the ship IMO.  Not sure if that is bad coaching or just stubbornness.  Probably a little of both.  

Yup Logan is true to his belief in his system to a fault

[Wosinc]

8 hours ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said:

There’s no fantasy nor speculation in this hit....

bgw

Looked like a legit hit.  Why did the receiving team get so feisty?  Were they expecting pattycake?

[On2whls]

On 5/14/2020 at 3:11 PM, Ararar said:

2015 Centennial had just beaten MD and SJB to make it to the Open Game against DLS.DLS won 28-21 however Centennial was inside the DLS 15 on 3 or 4 occasions but Matt Logan the Centennial coach always goes for it on 4th down and doesn’t kick FG

A lot has been made about failure to kick field goals as the reason for that loss.  Consider though,  that for a team that doesn't kick field goals, making 3 of 4 from 35 to 42 yds would have been a tall order and highly unlikely.   Because of the way the 2014 game went with several second half turnovers (3 of 4 drives with QB miscues) that turned an exciting back and forth game into a blowout, Logan went into the 2015 game with a conservative plan hoping to ground it out and control the clock.  

DLS figured out pretty quickly that most of the playbook was not an option,  they keyed in on the bread and butter plays Cen 10 used most frequently, played bend but don't break, and was able to stall out several drives, 4 of them inside the DLS 25.  

To me the head scratcher was why, when it became apparent that DLS was executing their defensive plan, was a more than capable Tanner McKee left to ferment on the bench.   McKee represented a change of pace as an accurate, composed, pass first QB capable of going through progressions (not just the primary route receiver) and a deceptively good runner, that DLS likely wouldn't have been as prepared for. 

The contrarian argument to that would be that he was young and inexperienced, but consider that he had no shortage of reps during the season, and as for readiness, just look what he did out of the gate next year against Chandler and IMG with far less weapons than the 2015 team had to work with.  

DLS adapted to the challenge at hand, Cen10 did not.  Logan simply out coached in that game.

10 hours ago, World Citizen said:

That was one hell of a game and I was really impressed with Cen10 D that game.  

Same thing with Palo Alto.  Not kicking the fg cost him the ship IMO.  Not sure if that is bad coaching or just stubbornness.  Probably a little of both.  

I suppose you could consider that diligently sticking to a plan that you believe in, could be considered "stubborness", but that is Logan, like it or not.   

As for the Cen10D,  2015 was improved from the defensively horrendous 2014 squad, but still, they gave up an average of 34 points per game over the last 5 games (includes the playoffs).   By CA standards, maybe that's impressive, but it's pretty porous compared to places that value defense as much as offense.  

 

 

 

 

[Duckburghsfinest1987]

now if there is a season next fall, who is returning more starters, MD or Bosco.

[old_e]

Mission Viejo, Canyon Country,  and Corona Centennial.  All before the so called recruited teams. I'll just leave this here. Oh yeah, and all public. 

[Duckburghsfinest1987]

 

 

 

 

 

I was happy when Bosco denied MD's chances of a 3-peat, because Bosco finally became a different Southern California team that finished the season number 1 in the nation besides MD, because when MD did it in 2017 and 2018, the last time a Southern California team did it was themselves, MD, yes I know about the 2013 Bosco team, but it didn't finish number one in many polls like the 2019 team did, and the 2017 and 2018 MD teams did.

 

Now like I said before, I would like to see a public school from California, regardless of the region of California, have their football team win a national title, but I don't see it happening anytime soon due to Bosco and MD currently ruling the landscape.

Fontana HS was the last California public school to achieve that in 1987.

[On2whls]

3 hours ago, Duckburghsfinest1987 said:

Now like I said before, I would like to see a public school from California, regardless of the region of California, have their football team win a national title, but I don't see it happening anytime soon due to Bosco and MD currently ruling the landscape.

For a public school to do it in so ca, you need a perfect storm of factors.  First, a developing community bringing in families with athletes out of the reach of not only MD/Bosco, but other significant draw private’s, a good coaching staff, dedicated athletic department, and good community support.   I don’t think that situation exists right now or will anytime soon.  I thought as the Santa Clarita area was booming that perhaps it would give rise to a contender, but there’s too many private’s to dilute the talent pool there as well.

[CaliNorth]

25 minutes ago, On2whls said:

For a public school to do it in so ca, you need a perfect storm of factors.  First, a developing community bringing in families with athletes out of the reach of not only MD/Bosco, but other significant draw private’s, a good coaching staff, dedicated athletic department, and good community support.   I don’t think that situation exists right now or will anytime soon.  I thought as the Santa Clarita area was booming that perhaps it would give rise to a contender, but there’s too many private’s to dilute the talent pool there as well.

What privates exist  up in santa clarita ?  Sierra Canyon ?

[On2whls]

I think Sierra Canyon, Grace Brethren, Oaks Christian, among others are not an unreasonably far commute by So Ca standards.   Schools competing for talent are just one factor though.  You have to attract a coach willing and capable to build a destination program.  

LA county, Orange County, and the major cities/towns in the Inland Empire ( Corona, Riverside, Temecula, Murrieta, Moreno Valley) are pretty well built out so not a big influx of potential standout athletes coming in.  Ditto for San Bernadino, Upland, Ontario, Rancho Cucamonga, Fontana which are part of San Bernadino CO.    

 

[Duckburghsfinest1987]

2 hours ago, On2whls said:

For a public school to do it in so ca, you need a perfect storm of factors.  First, a developing community bringing in families with athletes out of the reach of not only MD/Bosco, but other significant draw private’s, a good coaching staff, dedicated athletic department, and good community support.   I don’t think that situation exists right now or will anytime soon.  I thought as the Santa Clarita area was booming that perhaps it would give rise to a contender, but there’s too many private’s to dilute the talent pool there as well.

I would believe it's fair to label LB Poly, as being the best H.S. football program to have never won a National Title in high school football, which is a huge shock due to their rich history and having sent more players to the NFL more than any other HS in America.

Besides Corona Centennial, which is mentioned in this thread, other public schools in California, that have come close, are Los Alamitos, Mission Viejo, but as the old saying goes, close but no cigar.

The factors you mentioned, no doubt that benefited MD in the 90's as well.