HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Ok so here it is and there are significant differences United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898),[1] is a United States Supreme Courtcase in which the Court ruled 6–2 that a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese nationality who at the time had a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and were carrying on business there but not as employees of the Chinese government, automatically became a U.S. citizen Permanent domicile which none of these illegals have. So right there this case does not apply to the illegals. That case will not help support your argument 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 That, at the time of his said birth, his mother and father were domiciled residents of the United States, and had established and enjoyed a permanent domicil and residence therein at said city and county of San Francisco, State aforesaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Ok so here it is and there are significant differences United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898),[1] is a United States Supreme Courtcase in which the Court ruled 6–2 that a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese nationality who at the time had a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and were carrying on business there but not as employees of the Chinese government, automatically became a U.S. citizen Permanent domicile which none of these illegals have. So right there this case does not apply to the illegals. That case will not help support your argument There usually are differences. That's what the courts are for. But you're not getting any closer to refuting my claim that the law, as it's currently interpreted and practiced and enforced, is that a child born here is a citizen of this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Belly Bob said: There usually are. That's what the courts are for. But you're not getting any closer to refuting my claim that the law, as it's currently interpreted and practiced and enforced, is that a child born here is a citizen of this country. I just proved to you that the law you gave me in that case does not pertain to the illegals having kids here. Read the case man. This guys parents had a permanent domicile here. These illegals do not. His parents were citizens of this country. These illegals are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: [...] That case will not help support your argument I think you're getting confused again. That's not my argument. That's the argument given by the courts, whose current practice is to grant citizenship to children born here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: I just proved to you that the law you gave me in that case does not pertain to the illegals having kids here. Read the case man. I'm sorry. You misunderstood me. I said that that case has been used by the courts to justify the claim that the law requires that we grant citizenship to children born here. Apologies if that wasn't clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: But you're not getting any closer to refuting my claim that the law, as it's currently interpreted and practiced and enforced, is that a child born here is a citizen of this country. He's taking a lot of time off his life trying though......watch him go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, Belly Bob said: I think you're getting confused again. That's not my argument. That's the argument given by the courts, whose current practice is to grant citizenship to children born here. And that is why the EO is written and signed so someone can look at this. You cannot look at the case that you provided to me and say that it pertains to illegals. Again this is why it has to be challenged. If the SC upholds it so be it. I'll disagree with the ruling but that's my right to do so. But this case does not provide any parallel to the illegals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Wong Kim was born to american citizens who had a permanent residence in this country. If you the lawyer in this case b4 the SC you bring that up a million times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: Proud of you. You're posting like a real, live paralegal! I thank you!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Like I said this is the same argument when it came to the travel ban. People jumped up and down as it got turned down in the liberal circuits. When it got to the SC the travel ban was ok and will now be used to stop the illegals from getting into the country. This EO will be challenged Trump knows that. I'm sure he knows the outcome of the case too if/when it gets to the SC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: And that is why the EO is written and signed so someone can look at this. You cannot look at the case that you provided to me and say that it pertains to illegals. Again this is why it has to be challenged. If the SC upholds it so be it. I'll disagree with the ruling but that's my right to do so. But this case does not provide any parallel to the illegals. Wouldn't it better, though, if you just got to the point and gave an argument for why we should grant citizenship to these people and not to those people, or for why the law should be this way rather than that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Wouldn't it better, though, if you just got to the point and gave an argument for why we should grant citizenship to these people and not to those people, or for why the law should be this way rather than that way? We grant citizenship to people who apply for citizenship. The guy we were just referring to had american citizens has parents. Illegal parents should not be allowed to just spit out a kid who all of a sudden is a citizen. That makes no sense. And than what if they have no money american taxpayers are on the hook. Me and you can make a million arguments. Its gonna come down to the supreme court which favors Trump. Why dont these illegals do what these chinese people did? Come here as an american citizen work get a permanent residence And I thought I was at the point. You gave my said case...I showed you why said case doesnt work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: We grant citizenship to people who apply for citizenship. The guy we were just referring to had american citizens has parents. Illegal parents should not be allowed to just spit out a kid who all of a sudden is a citizen. That makes no sense. And than what if they have no money american taxpayers are on the hook. Me and you can make a million arguments. Its gonna come down to the supreme court which favors Trump. [...] Sorry. We grant citizenship to some people who apply for it and to some children who are born here. And we are on the hook for them, too, as tax payers if they have no money. So, once again, why these people and not those people? We want to give and evaluate arguments because we want to know what the truth is, and we don't want other people to do our thinking for us, because we aren't children but men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Sorry. We grant citizenship to some people who apply for it and to some children who are born here. And we are on the hook for them, too, as tax payers if they have no money. So, once again, why these people and not those people? We want to give and evaluate arguments because we want to know what the truth is, and we don't want other people to do our thinking for us, because we aren't children but men. Because some people do it the right way and other people think they are going to crash our borders and were gonna roll out a welcome mat. Nope not happening. Listen if you want my true opinion our borders should be completely shut down until every single illegal is found and deported. And every businessman who hired an illegal is locked up and every truck driver who has every helped an illegal is locked up as well. Than when those millions of people are finally deported and our immigration laws are fixed and placed like Ellis island are reopened we can discuss maybe letting people in. Now as much fun as that was and I had an absolute blast having this magnificent debate with you I gotta go. Happy Halloween. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Wong Kim was born to american citizens who had a permanent residence in this country. If you the lawyer in this case b4 the SC you bring that up a million times His parents weren't citizens. They were domiciled immigrants, and did enter through legal channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, zulu1128 said: His parents weren't citizens. They were domiciled immigrants, and did enter through legal channels. Ok.....so even with that for me it would have hard pressed to have this case support illegals kids becoming citizens upon birth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 trump just slammed, Paul Ryan....again. When trump is not imitating a president and MLB manager, he also dabbles in constitutional law.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/31/2018 at 12:48 PM, HSFBfan said: A. Because some people do it the right way and other people think they are going to crash our borders and were gonna roll out a welcome mat. Nope not happening. B. Listen if you want my true opinion our borders should be completely shut down until every single illegal is found and deported. And every businessman who hired an illegal is locked up and every truck driver who has every helped an illegal is locked up as well. Than when those millions of people are finally deported and our immigration laws are fixed and placed like Ellis island are reopened we can discuss maybe letting people in. C. Now as much fun as that was and I had an absolute blast having this magnificent debate with you I gotta go. Happy Halloween. A. What's at issue is what makes it the right way in the first place. B. Sorry. I'm having a hell of a time. There's a difference between supporting your opinion with reasons and stating it. I'm not asking you to state your opinion. I think it's pretty clear. I'm asking you to support it. To support your opinion with reasons is to give an argument for it. C. Happy Halloween to you also. And I'm sure we will be able to pick the debate up again, since it makes into the OT forum about twice per week. Maybe one day we will get the arguments up, and see what they look like, and not just state the opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: Yes, HSFB should run for office for the ALT RIGHT....🤙🤙🤙🤙 PS all the Jews in Florida better not vote for the Marxist Guillum as he's an anti Semite too.....He has spoken for CAIR calling them a terroist state and hates that Jerusalem is their capital.....He a crook and the liberal Miami Herald has stated as much..... I thank you for the endorsement!!!!! I will put all my effort into ending illegal immigration, ending Obamacare, ending birthright citizenship, upholding our 2A and just being a red blooded american 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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