RedZone Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, ron169 said: now he is saying welcome to trumpville, USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 Florida GOP up 62000 votes in EV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: I will add to that number soon....... Welcome aboard! Red down the line! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Welcome aboard! Red down the line! Vote no on Prop 4 or whatever you guys call it down in FL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: Vote no on Prop 4 or whatever you guys call it down in FL Yeah. That's the one that allows felons to vote democrat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Nolebull813 said: Yeah. That's the one that allows felons to vote democrat. Exactly. Felons should not be allowed to vote again ever. Right now its passing at 70% yes. That's not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Exactly. Felons should not be allowed to vote again ever. Right now its passing at 70% yes. That's not good Not good at all. If you are felon, you probably live the i dont give a fuck, anything goes lifestyle. Which is pretty much a liberal platform. This would be a terrible decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Nolebull813 said: Not good at all. If you are felon, you probably live the i dont give a fuck, anything goes lifestyle. Which is pretty much a liberal platform. This would be a terrible decision I agree. You gave up your rights when you decided to be a felon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 Hey darter since you are considering leaving the USA dont go to Canada. They are stepping up deportations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Belly Bob said: So you've not really thought about this issue either. Do you ever get tired of realizing that you've got almost nothing to offer in support of your political opinions? Don't you find that embarrassing as a grown man with interests in politics? Really? I do quite well actually, but as we often don't see eye to eye your comment is hardly unexpected. Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, concha said: Really? I do quite well actually, but as we often don't see eye to eye your comment is hardly unexpected. Carry on. When you give arguments like this in support of your views, who could disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Drummer61 said: There was talk of this 14 amendment bussiness with "Operation Wetback", under Eisenhower in the late fifties....Thisi amendment MUST BE ENDED as the abuse is at its worst....Legally, the wording is what will determine if it's amended.....Keep them out and any landowners on the border have the right to stop these ILLEGAL INVADERS... I thought you were one of our guys who decides the issues based on their legality alone. "ILLEGAL invaders!" Etc. I guess it turns out that sometimes you think we should worry about what the laws are not just whether they are the laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 hours ago, zulu1128 said: I don't think it's a great idea to fuck around with the constitution via Executive Order. I agree that the 14A is being abused well beyond it's original intent in this case, but things pertaining to the Constitution should be done via legislation, and then through the SCOTUS, if necessary. Good. Where's @Eddyr2and his dissertation on the taxonomy of political states? Imagine how dangerous it would be if Trump wasn't such a figure of fun but could galvanize a wider ranger of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 34 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: When you give arguments like this in support of your views, who could disagree? Your statement wasn't exactly fact-filled, Sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 hours ago, concha said: Your statement wasn't exactly fact-filled, Sport. I asked you to give an argument for your view, which you haven't done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddyr2 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Belly Bob said: Good. Where's @Eddyr2and his dissertation on the taxonomy of political states? Imagine how dangerous it would be if Trump wasn't such a figure of fun but could galvanize a wider ranger of people. I am trying to say out of the OT...last time was here i was called racist and a liberal at the same time. when in fact i am neither. As for the issue at hand here are my thoughts: the "power" of the Executive Order has been over used and out of control for the last 20+ years. I didn't like it when W. or Obama did it. I have been okay with some of Trump's EO's that have undone other EO's but i am not a fan of this one. the legislative branch should make the laws not the executive. i don't like the OE since i feel it's more of a "get out the vote" move the a policy move. I would prefer Trump bring his case congress or challenge the current reading the the 14th amendment in court. Regarding the 14a, reading it in contexts makes it clear that Trump is correct in saying the authors of the amendment did not intend for the children of illegal immigrates to be given birth right citizenship. But how the authors attended "the Law" to be read has nothing to do with how "the Law" is read today (ie roe v wade). He should have brought up the case infront of the SCOTUS (and if fact him signing bs EO are his ways of bring cases infront of the court) and he should have done the same thing with DACA. Both DACA and "birth rights" for the children of illegal immigrates are both cases that should go before the SCOTUS. DACA is an easy case. i think will be stuck down but not sure about the "birth right" for the children of illegals. i feel both Roberts and Kavanaugh would vote to keep "birth rights" for the children of illegal. So if Trump signs the OE, it will get sued and be before SCOTUS next October. so this is a whole lot to do about nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, Eddyr2 said: I am trying to say out of the OT...last time was here i was called racist and a liberal at the same time. when in fact i am neither. As for the issue at hand here are my thoughts: [...] I know what you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 4 hours ago, HSFBfan said: Exactly. Felons should not be allowed to vote again ever. Right now its passing at 70% yes. That's not good Hmmm. So do you think they should pay taxes, or be exempt from all forms of public contributions and support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Hmmm. So do you think they should pay taxes, or be exempt from all forms of public contributions and support? I dont think they should get anything. They are felons. They threw their life away when they decided to commit whatever crime they committed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: I dont think they should get anything. They are felons. They threw their life away when they decided to commit whatever crime they committed. They paid their debt to society by being in prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: They paid their debt to society by being in prison. Cant ever trust a felon so nope i wouldnt give them anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: Cant ever trust a felon so nope i wouldnt give them anything. Yeah felony is pretty serious. You gotta do some really messed up shit to be a convicted felon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Yeah felony is pretty serious. You gotta do some really messed up shit to be a convicted felon. It's a crime that you get at least a year in prison for. Yeah its a pretty nasty conviction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Cant ever trust a felon so nope i wouldnt give them anything. Welp, that’s where we differ. Too easy to manipulate the judicial system to suppress rights and votes when it’s denied for life. I hope Fla passes it into law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Welp, that’s where we differ. Too easy to manipulate the judicial system to suppress rights and votes when it’s denied for life. Why should you ever get your rights back when you failed society in some kind of heinous way.......I also believe we do not use the death penalty enough in this country I disagree. They should never get their voting rights back. This is nothing but a Democrat initiative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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